Where did I say majority? I was speaking for myself although I think there are large numbers who agree w/ me. I think bxgrl hit on a salient point – that you & we are coming to what Michelle said from 2 different vectors.
yes legion- too many people gave up their lives- and some of them to no avail or little return. She was peroud of this country because people who would never consider living next ot an African-American family decided to use their brains and vote for the man they felt would put America back on the right course. YOu think Michelle Obama feels entitled to the racial mudslinging and increased threats against the President because of his race? I do not think so.
Legion – ok,I get your points. I guess what I am trying to say is that the overwhelming majority of these suicide bombers who really are NAMELESS b/c they don’t come from well to do families but are busy blowing themselves up in various countries throughout the Middle east DAILY are not coming from a place of wealth, but are psycologically depressed,distraught and hopeless.
Apples & oranges, Legion. I’m proud of what I’ve done too. But I also realize I had advantages. My family were the integrating factor in a black neighborhood in DC. Even so, I got preferential treatment in elementary school. It was a given that I’d go on to higher ed whereas many of my classmates were shuttled into trade schools. I was a bit of an activist in college simply because I remembered being allowed to drink out of water fountains that my friends couldn’t. Etc. I’d be less than proud of my family if they had supported segregation just as I’ve been less than proud of our country for many of its failings. None of those things is an entitlement, they’re human rights.
Posted by: Arkady at January 7, 2010 3:08
arkady,
again, diversionary tactics won’t work.
I know full well the historical and present inequities of our society and the world for that matter.
what we are debating is your assumption that more people in American society today are not proud of their country than are.
I say more are.
I’m gonna call that statement what it is- bull sh*t. That is your interpretation of someone’s mindset and it shows not only a lack of empathy, but of American history as well. Sorry legion- I really like you, I respect the right to your opinion but you need to read snappy’s post. Really read it. And if you need to define what people who feel entitled look lik, look at your own party- there’s plenty right there.
Posted by: bxgrl at January 7, 2010 3:08 PM
oh no bxgrl,
you will not get away with the race card in this debate.
this is not about race, it is about statements by the people in power whatever color they are.
won’t work here.
You are attempting to generalize an analysis of one woman into a larger debate on race.
and I respect you too for your views and opinions.
people need to stand up to their words,
and if Michelle Obama meant it, that’s even ok,
I just don’t think it is representative of the majority of americans today as arkady stated.
Legion…what have we overcome? Please, tell me. I invite you to show me where we have overcome racism, classism, etc. We haven’t. It’s a fight that went on long ago and continues to this day. For her to deny that “historical legacy of division’ would be to deny where she came from. Black people can grow up rich, they can grow up poor, they can grow up middle class. But the fact remains that in the eyes of many ‘Americans’ we will always be just BLACK. Our accomplishments will not always be seen, our contributions recognized and appreciated.
This on is for your Legion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RINqibpWOzQ
Where did I say majority? I was speaking for myself although I think there are large numbers who agree w/ me. I think bxgrl hit on a salient point – that you & we are coming to what Michelle said from 2 different vectors.
slopefarm,
so I have you down for two republican gains in November.
that’s a start.
my number is more like 8-10.
yes legion- too many people gave up their lives- and some of them to no avail or little return. She was peroud of this country because people who would never consider living next ot an African-American family decided to use their brains and vote for the man they felt would put America back on the right course. YOu think Michelle Obama feels entitled to the racial mudslinging and increased threats against the President because of his race? I do not think so.
Legion – ok,I get your points. I guess what I am trying to say is that the overwhelming majority of these suicide bombers who really are NAMELESS b/c they don’t come from well to do families but are busy blowing themselves up in various countries throughout the Middle east DAILY are not coming from a place of wealth, but are psycologically depressed,distraught and hopeless.
Apples & oranges, Legion. I’m proud of what I’ve done too. But I also realize I had advantages. My family were the integrating factor in a black neighborhood in DC. Even so, I got preferential treatment in elementary school. It was a given that I’d go on to higher ed whereas many of my classmates were shuttled into trade schools. I was a bit of an activist in college simply because I remembered being allowed to drink out of water fountains that my friends couldn’t. Etc. I’d be less than proud of my family if they had supported segregation just as I’ve been less than proud of our country for many of its failings. None of those things is an entitlement, they’re human rights.
Posted by: Arkady at January 7, 2010 3:08
arkady,
again, diversionary tactics won’t work.
I know full well the historical and present inequities of our society and the world for that matter.
what we are debating is your assumption that more people in American society today are not proud of their country than are.
I say more are.
I’m gonna call that statement what it is- bull sh*t. That is your interpretation of someone’s mindset and it shows not only a lack of empathy, but of American history as well. Sorry legion- I really like you, I respect the right to your opinion but you need to read snappy’s post. Really read it. And if you need to define what people who feel entitled look lik, look at your own party- there’s plenty right there.
Posted by: bxgrl at January 7, 2010 3:08 PM
oh no bxgrl,
you will not get away with the race card in this debate.
this is not about race, it is about statements by the people in power whatever color they are.
won’t work here.
You are attempting to generalize an analysis of one woman into a larger debate on race.
and I respect you too for your views and opinions.
people need to stand up to their words,
and if Michelle Obama meant it, that’s even ok,
I just don’t think it is representative of the majority of americans today as arkady stated.
Ok…I can’t bow out yet…blinding headache and all!
Legion…what have we overcome? Please, tell me. I invite you to show me where we have overcome racism, classism, etc. We haven’t. It’s a fight that went on long ago and continues to this day. For her to deny that “historical legacy of division’ would be to deny where she came from. Black people can grow up rich, they can grow up poor, they can grow up middle class. But the fact remains that in the eyes of many ‘Americans’ we will always be just BLACK. Our accomplishments will not always be seen, our contributions recognized and appreciated.
John Wilkes Booth came from an affluent, educated background – nutjobs can be born to any caste.