again, I’ve given you some objective statistics about the “poor” based on the last census figures.
source:
“This key research from 2004 has been updated in Robert Rector’s new paper, How Poor Are America’s Poor? Examining the “Plague” of Poverty in America”
you have turned the discussion into a debate about the existence of homeless in America. Of course we have homeless and every municipality in America has plans of action to address them. Not to mention the billions and billions being spent on the problem for the past 40 years by the federal government.
The start of any solution begins with an honest assessment of the problem.
Yes, you read well! That’s what I said. What kind of housing do the homeless occupy, Legion? You still haven’t addressed that.
All I’m saying is that you might be a bit more realistic about the diverse and complex nature of poverty in this country. There are all types of poor people, from working poor to homeless and destitute. Rather than going to your Glen Beck manual for trite phrases like “I could hardly hear you from that moral high ground your shouting down from,” which sound good but have little meaning, acknowledge that poverty is a diverse issue that can’t be summarily dismissed with statements such as “to say [the poor] are all suffering in some squalid hovel is a great exaggeration.”
“It does no American any good to start from the assumption that we are a nation that casts away the “poor” and that all of the “poor” are at the level of a homeless individual.”
That’s not MY assumption, and furthermore I didn’t say any of that, Legion. None of that. You’re trying to put words into my mouth to support your narrow point of view. Won’t work.
“blowfish, at what point does an individual begin to take responsibility for his own situation and at what point is it not his responsibility???”
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 8, 2009 1:45 PM
First, you were supposed to ignore my posts– i only meant to annoy Legion.
Second, for the sake of brevity, once people are given an opportunity to escape poverty, than they should be responsible for their own situation. I think we would probably have a long debate about what constitutes opportunity. I mean opportunity for an average, low-skilled, untalented person. So, an opportunity to learn a trade or get an education, or, if an unskilled job, some job proatections, all while having access to healthcare.
I do also think that working toward eliminating poverty is a societal benefit, not just a benefit to the poor. Poverty gives rise to crime, degradation, etc.
Posted by: blowfish at December 8, 2009 1:46 PM
OK, I posted the previous too soon
And, i agree with this. Get them back on the tax roles like the rest of us!!
and I am saying that there are programs and billions being spent on those problems to address the fraction of 1% that are homeless in this nation of 300 million.
what I am not buying is that the person, and there are many, who is living in a two bedroom with a car and three meals a day is angry with this nation because we are not taking better care of them.
and yes, that person might be considered poor, but only in America.
Even worse- coordinated bombs in Iraq killed 118 and wounded 200. Horrible. Completely horrible.
blowfish,
again, I’ve given you some objective statistics about the “poor” based on the last census figures.
source:
“This key research from 2004 has been updated in Robert Rector’s new paper, How Poor Are America’s Poor? Examining the “Plague” of Poverty in America”
you have turned the discussion into a debate about the existence of homeless in America. Of course we have homeless and every municipality in America has plans of action to address them. Not to mention the billions and billions being spent on the problem for the past 40 years by the federal government.
The start of any solution begins with an honest assessment of the problem.
“ENY,
you say I’m glossing over the homeless?”
Yes, you read well! That’s what I said. What kind of housing do the homeless occupy, Legion? You still haven’t addressed that.
All I’m saying is that you might be a bit more realistic about the diverse and complex nature of poverty in this country. There are all types of poor people, from working poor to homeless and destitute. Rather than going to your Glen Beck manual for trite phrases like “I could hardly hear you from that moral high ground your shouting down from,” which sound good but have little meaning, acknowledge that poverty is a diverse issue that can’t be summarily dismissed with statements such as “to say [the poor] are all suffering in some squalid hovel is a great exaggeration.”
“It does no American any good to start from the assumption that we are a nation that casts away the “poor” and that all of the “poor” are at the level of a homeless individual.”
That’s not MY assumption, and furthermore I didn’t say any of that, Legion. None of that. You’re trying to put words into my mouth to support your narrow point of view. Won’t work.
“that is exactly what happened last June with a manual we’d been working on for a mere 18 months. Your taxpayer dollars hard at work!”
DIBS, what is the longest amount of time you’ve worked on a Manuel?
“blowfish, at what point does an individual begin to take responsibility for his own situation and at what point is it not his responsibility???”
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at December 8, 2009 1:45 PM
First, you were supposed to ignore my posts– i only meant to annoy Legion.
Second, for the sake of brevity, once people are given an opportunity to escape poverty, than they should be responsible for their own situation. I think we would probably have a long debate about what constitutes opportunity. I mean opportunity for an average, low-skilled, untalented person. So, an opportunity to learn a trade or get an education, or, if an unskilled job, some job proatections, all while having access to healthcare.
Ah, the old “poor people are so angry’ argument. Uhm, right, legion. Please.
I do also think that working toward eliminating poverty is a societal benefit, not just a benefit to the poor. Poverty gives rise to crime, degradation, etc.
Posted by: blowfish at December 8, 2009 1:46 PM
OK, I posted the previous too soon
And, i agree with this. Get them back on the tax roles like the rest of us!!
CGar, please hire bxgrl as your admin, and get that completed manual to me by 5pm. No, better make that 3pm. M’kay? ; )
blowfish,
and I am saying that there are programs and billions being spent on those problems to address the fraction of 1% that are homeless in this nation of 300 million.
what I am not buying is that the person, and there are many, who is living in a two bedroom with a car and three meals a day is angry with this nation because we are not taking better care of them.
and yes, that person might be considered poor, but only in America.