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bxgrl,
sure we can ask these things of people. you must know that Islam itself give many rights to women that would make these fascist imams cringe. There is a long history of strong women in Persia and throughout the middle east. what has developed in these middle eastern countries over the past hundred years is an abberation.
Turkey is a functioning muslim democracy for one. I disagree that things are the same in Iraq. for one thing, women now vote and participate in government. for another, women are involved in their communities to a much greater extent, particularly the formerly oppressed Shiite women. The Khurds in the north are no longer being gassed with chemical weapons and we have a dialogue with the government of Iraq.
Iran, recently had a failed revolution. People are chaffing at the bit there, they love the USA. I know people from Iran personally, some who escaped in the past 20 years. I personally know an Iranian Jew with a hell of a story about life there under the Ayatollahs.
sure these people want democracy, because as all of us here in the US know, it is inherent to being human to want to have the freedom to assert oneself and dream.
bxgrl, don’t forget Tienamen, or more recently the Orange revolution in Ukraine.
“Now…can I cook the stock down for an hour or 2 to concentrate it? Or will it get ‘funky’?”
Cobble, YOU are asking a goy about chicken soup? I honestly don’t know about concentrating it. I concur about the chicken being done. But, you’re at the point where My People put the pot in the fridge (or the freezer, but don’t forget about it because you don’t want the soup to freeze in the pot) so the fat congeals at the top, making it easy to skim (or scrape) off. Then we pour (or ladle) the soup into Ziploc Freezer Bags (TM), which we then place on a flat surface (use a cookie sheet if need be) in the freezer, so all you have to do is peel off the Ziploc and heat the soup when you have a cold or Passover comes around.
Legion- I would not want this country to ignore this at all. But we certainly need to go about promoting democracy in a much more intelligent way than done by the Bush Administration-certainly it didn’t improve conditions in Iraq very much. Changed the leadership- but that’s about it.
The thing we forget is that we were founded on certain basic principles that we have lived by and believed in for over 200 years. We are educated about them, the Constitution is part and parcel of our daily life and our concept of government. We should not assume other countries will readily accept democracy, even if we depose their monarchs, dictators and despots. We need to get much more real about what we expect and what they expect. And while we love to think everyone wants democracy – in truth, many people pay it lip service but have no clue what is involved in actually living in a democracy- especially not those theocratic fascist countries you speak of.
Can you honestly see Iraq or Iran or Afghanistan becoming democracies? First ask them to give women equal rights. Ask them if other sects will be allowed to openly practice their faith without retaliation. Ask them if they understand the concept that the Bill of Rights is what protects the rights of the minority from the oppression of the Majority. If they can’t grasp these concepts on a real, personal, everyday level, democracy won’t take root. Look how long this country has taken to come to terms with the fact that gay men and women are entitled to the same civil rights as everyone else- including civil marriage? And even we aren’t there yet. We’re fighting to keep the right of women to make decisions about their own bodies- how can we possibly march into Iraq and tell them to be a democracy?
bxgrl,
sure we can ask these things of people. you must know that Islam itself give many rights to women that would make these fascist imams cringe. There is a long history of strong women in Persia and throughout the middle east. what has developed in these middle eastern countries over the past hundred years is an abberation.
Turkey is a functioning muslim democracy for one. I disagree that things are the same in Iraq. for one thing, women now vote and participate in government. for another, women are involved in their communities to a much greater extent, particularly the formerly oppressed Shiite women. The Khurds in the north are no longer being gassed with chemical weapons and we have a dialogue with the government of Iraq.
Iran, recently had a failed revolution. People are chaffing at the bit there, they love the USA. I know people from Iran personally, some who escaped in the past 20 years. I personally know an Iranian Jew with a hell of a story about life there under the Ayatollahs.
sure these people want democracy, because as all of us here in the US know, it is inherent to being human to want to have the freedom to assert oneself and dream.
bxgrl, don’t forget Tienamen, or more recently the Orange revolution in Ukraine.
“I had a fantastic breakfast”
Sausage apparently
There’s nothing like morning sex . . . except make-up sex perhaps
“you just admitted to having a good breakfast.”
Exactly, that’s what I meant Expert, I had a fantastic breakfast!
Cobble- whatever you’re drinking, save me some 🙂
True enough, Dave, but still an interesting article
“Now…can I cook the stock down for an hour or 2 to concentrate it? Or will it get ‘funky’?”
Cobble, YOU are asking a goy about chicken soup? I honestly don’t know about concentrating it. I concur about the chicken being done. But, you’re at the point where My People put the pot in the fridge (or the freezer, but don’t forget about it because you don’t want the soup to freeze in the pot) so the fat congeals at the top, making it easy to skim (or scrape) off. Then we pour (or ladle) the soup into Ziploc Freezer Bags (TM), which we then place on a flat surface (use a cookie sheet if need be) in the freezer, so all you have to do is peel off the Ziploc and heat the soup when you have a cold or Passover comes around.
Legion- I would not want this country to ignore this at all. But we certainly need to go about promoting democracy in a much more intelligent way than done by the Bush Administration-certainly it didn’t improve conditions in Iraq very much. Changed the leadership- but that’s about it.
The thing we forget is that we were founded on certain basic principles that we have lived by and believed in for over 200 years. We are educated about them, the Constitution is part and parcel of our daily life and our concept of government. We should not assume other countries will readily accept democracy, even if we depose their monarchs, dictators and despots. We need to get much more real about what we expect and what they expect. And while we love to think everyone wants democracy – in truth, many people pay it lip service but have no clue what is involved in actually living in a democracy- especially not those theocratic fascist countries you speak of.
Can you honestly see Iraq or Iran or Afghanistan becoming democracies? First ask them to give women equal rights. Ask them if other sects will be allowed to openly practice their faith without retaliation. Ask them if they understand the concept that the Bill of Rights is what protects the rights of the minority from the oppression of the Majority. If they can’t grasp these concepts on a real, personal, everyday level, democracy won’t take root. Look how long this country has taken to come to terms with the fact that gay men and women are entitled to the same civil rights as everyone else- including civil marriage? And even we aren’t there yet. We’re fighting to keep the right of women to make decisions about their own bodies- how can we possibly march into Iraq and tell them to be a democracy?
“Uh, I think something gt into me this morning!”
um, Cobble…excuse me, pardon me, but I think, ah-hem, that you just admitted to having a good breakfast.