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I’m always taking note of different customs and traditions of various people and places. Everyone has always said that true southern peoples are the most polite and respecting people in the country. Having visited the deep south many times in my life it was something I always believed as well, but was really struck by it over the last few days.
my grandmother, a true northerner, HATES it AND the people down there. she says they are all phoney, all racist (she’s a racist tho herself so that should tell you something!), and they are boring
Well, nice try at some revisionist NYC history here.
Shall we now talk about some facts?
Who now remembers that moment when Dinkins’s mayoralty was killed and by whom? Why, it was April, 1993 and it was done by none other than Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, an ardent liberal of the old-school type. The event was a luncheon speech before The Association for a Better New York, and Moynihan was the featured speaker. Dinkins was in the audience, and everyone expected him to deliver the standard boiler-plate speech about how the federal government should do more to help poor old NYC.
Well, Moynihan was not going to have any of it. Moynihan considered himself to be a true liberal in the old FDR/LaGuardia sense, and he was livid about what the then-current crop of liberals(Dinkins, Messinger, Mark Green and that crowd) had allowed it to evolve to. Moynihan, who usually was scholarly in nature, tore into Dinkins and his brand of liberalism, and what it had down to NYC. The speech was truly remarkable, in that it expressed the frustration of so many New Yorkers. Moynihan’s speech focused on two things: a) the inability for liberalism to accomplish anything anymore. He went through a list of great public works that were built under FDR and LaGuardia. At one point, he noted that the Bronx-Whitestone Bridge was built in 13 months, and then looked up at Dinkins and shouted at him: “Things WORKED then, Mr. Mayor, they WORKED”. The brunt of Moynihan’s speech, however, was an expression of his disgust at Dinkins’ lax attitude towards crime. In this part of this speech, he coined a term “Defining Deviancy Down” that become famous, and he later wrote a book about it.
The speech made huge headlines. Moynihan sent out the word to MANY old-time democrats and liberals that their disgust with Dinkins was well-founded. This speech gave a major boost to Giuliani, and he then went on to beat Dinkins. Moreover, the revisionists above conveniently forget that the disgust of Dinkins was so palpable, that after Moynihan’s speech the LIBERAL party decided to nominate Giuliani for mayor to run on their line. That endorsement gave Giuliani the edge to beat Dinkins, and go on to save the city. At that time, the Liberal party was #3 on the ballot.
Finally, concerning Montrose’s rant above. The most disgusting racial moment in this city was the boycott of the Korean grocer on Church Ave, in which the police were ordered to do nothing for DAYS. That happened under Dinkins’ watch.
Denton NY Times piece on Dinkins isnt balanced – its RIDICULOUS.
I love how revisionist historians give Dinkins credit for a tiny drop in crime in his last 2 years (7% – from insanely high numbers and I believe when he left office the homicide rate was STILL above Koch’s final year (with all the same social ills that Dinkins faced).
Further any discussion of the Dinkins administration that doesnt directly discuss his abject failure related to the Crown Heights Riots and his disgusting silence regarding the Korean Grocery Store Boycott is a total white-wash (no pun intended)
I went to a dinner party Friday and a friend was telling me about how Giuliani used to go to some cigar bar in Midtown every afternoon. My friend was there once when Giuliani came in. After a while, my friend went to use the bathroom.
Giuliani came in a few moments later and stood next to him at the urinals. “Hey, how you doing?” my friend said.
Snappy, I’m sorry to hear about your grandmother. I know it’s been a rough time for you. That Southern tradition is one of the best parts of that part of the country. At least in death, one gets some respect, it seems. People upstate NY were also more respectful of funeral processions. Here, you’re just in the way of commerce. The plane story was great.
Thanks for the welcome everyone. The kitties were happy to see me and I was happy to hug some fur again (I love my family, but they just aren’t furry like wee ones!). A pal of mine stayed at my place while I was gone and she fed and played with them so they were content when I arrived home.
“you sound like someone predicting that the world is going to end”
*rob* = The What! Utterly ingenious cover, *rob*!
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I’m always taking note of different customs and traditions of various people and places. Everyone has always said that true southern peoples are the most polite and respecting people in the country. Having visited the deep south many times in my life it was something I always believed as well, but was really struck by it over the last few days.
my grandmother, a true northerner, HATES it AND the people down there. she says they are all phoney, all racist (she’s a racist tho herself so that should tell you something!), and they are boring
*rob*
Well, nice try at some revisionist NYC history here.
Shall we now talk about some facts?
Who now remembers that moment when Dinkins’s mayoralty was killed and by whom? Why, it was April, 1993 and it was done by none other than Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, an ardent liberal of the old-school type. The event was a luncheon speech before The Association for a Better New York, and Moynihan was the featured speaker. Dinkins was in the audience, and everyone expected him to deliver the standard boiler-plate speech about how the federal government should do more to help poor old NYC.
Well, Moynihan was not going to have any of it. Moynihan considered himself to be a true liberal in the old FDR/LaGuardia sense, and he was livid about what the then-current crop of liberals(Dinkins, Messinger, Mark Green and that crowd) had allowed it to evolve to. Moynihan, who usually was scholarly in nature, tore into Dinkins and his brand of liberalism, and what it had down to NYC. The speech was truly remarkable, in that it expressed the frustration of so many New Yorkers. Moynihan’s speech focused on two things: a) the inability for liberalism to accomplish anything anymore. He went through a list of great public works that were built under FDR and LaGuardia. At one point, he noted that the Bronx-Whitestone Bridge was built in 13 months, and then looked up at Dinkins and shouted at him: “Things WORKED then, Mr. Mayor, they WORKED”. The brunt of Moynihan’s speech, however, was an expression of his disgust at Dinkins’ lax attitude towards crime. In this part of this speech, he coined a term “Defining Deviancy Down” that become famous, and he later wrote a book about it.
The speech made huge headlines. Moynihan sent out the word to MANY old-time democrats and liberals that their disgust with Dinkins was well-founded. This speech gave a major boost to Giuliani, and he then went on to beat Dinkins. Moreover, the revisionists above conveniently forget that the disgust of Dinkins was so palpable, that after Moynihan’s speech the LIBERAL party decided to nominate Giuliani for mayor to run on their line. That endorsement gave Giuliani the edge to beat Dinkins, and go on to save the city. At that time, the Liberal party was #3 on the ballot.
Finally, concerning Montrose’s rant above. The most disgusting racial moment in this city was the boycott of the Korean grocer on Church Ave, in which the police were ordered to do nothing for DAYS. That happened under Dinkins’ watch.
Don’t know about NYC but I thought it was bad bathroom etiquette anywhere to talk to anyone at the urinals that isn’t your friend.
Thanks Montrose. You are so right. I’ve seen people actually honk repeatedly at slow funeral processions here in NY. Eeek! It’s beyond rude.
Denton NY Times piece on Dinkins isnt balanced – its RIDICULOUS.
I love how revisionist historians give Dinkins credit for a tiny drop in crime in his last 2 years (7% – from insanely high numbers and I believe when he left office the homicide rate was STILL above Koch’s final year (with all the same social ills that Dinkins faced).
Further any discussion of the Dinkins administration that doesnt directly discuss his abject failure related to the Crown Heights Riots and his disgusting silence regarding the Korean Grocery Store Boycott is a total white-wash (no pun intended)
Re: Giuliani,
I went to a dinner party Friday and a friend was telling me about how Giuliani used to go to some cigar bar in Midtown every afternoon. My friend was there once when Giuliani came in. After a while, my friend went to use the bathroom.
Giuliani came in a few moments later and stood next to him at the urinals. “Hey, how you doing?” my friend said.
“Don’t talk to me,” said Giuliani.
Snappy, I’m sorry to hear about your grandmother. I know it’s been a rough time for you. That Southern tradition is one of the best parts of that part of the country. At least in death, one gets some respect, it seems. People upstate NY were also more respectful of funeral processions. Here, you’re just in the way of commerce. The plane story was great.
Thanks for the welcome everyone. The kitties were happy to see me and I was happy to hug some fur again (I love my family, but they just aren’t furry like wee ones!). A pal of mine stayed at my place while I was gone and she fed and played with them so they were content when I arrived home.