CG'ers Don't Want No Stinkin' Bars
Rumors are swirling that Al’s Grocery, a longtime fixture a the corner of 3rd Street and Hoyt, is about to be replaced by a jazz bar. “Ours is a quiet residential block with a lot of young families recently moved in and far removed from the commercial bustle of Smith Street,” writes one concerned neighbor….
Rumors are swirling that Al’s Grocery, a longtime fixture a the corner of 3rd Street and Hoyt, is about to be replaced by a jazz bar. “Ours is a quiet residential block with a lot of young families recently moved in and far removed from the commercial bustle of Smith Street,” writes one concerned neighbor. “We’re not looking forward drunks sitting on our stoops or pissing in our already-truncated front yards.” Word is that the beer and wine license is a non-issue because it transfers with the lease. Anyone have more deets? GMAP
i am an original from CG when it was called Red Hook/South Brooklyn. I love Smith Street so much nicer than the sleeze that used to be there, and as for a jazz club, that is tremendous! Hope it happens soon.
i am an original from CG when it was called Red Hook/South Brooklyn. I love Smith Street so much nicer than the sleeze that used to be there, and as for a jazz club, that is tremendous! Hope it happens soon.
I need to add my two cents. There really is a happy medium here. I live in a house off of Smith Street whose rear yard shares a courtyard with several bars and restaurtants.
There are business owners who understand that they abut residential blocks and act respectfully (close earlier than 4 am, serve food in addition to liquor, etc.) But there are others who dont care, and have electric bands plug in while playing in their rear yard (this really happened).
Drunk and disrespectful patrons are a problem for all. It is not fun to be woken at 4 am by a drunken fool stumbling down my block yelling into his cell phone or pissing and vomiting on my front stoop.
I am all for commercial development on Smith Street and other commercial locations, but owners of businesses need to understand their neighbors.
Okay so let’s all simmer down and wait and see what happens. Al’s Deli is a very small space so it’s not going to be a big noisy nightclub. And the city does enforce laws about ambient decibel levels if the bebop turns out to be loud.
Plus, most people who open businesses WANT their neighbors to like them and tend to be respectful–tha’s how they get regular customers.
So let’s not worry about something that isn’t necessarily a problem and get back to our lives.
I’ve lived on Douglass St. about half a block from Smith St. for nearly 25 years. My experience was that there were a lot more loud and argumentative drunks wandering down the block before all the newer restaurants and bars opened on Smith St. Back then they ususally picked up their beer or wine at one of the few delis or “social clubs” and drank on the corner before staggering down the block.
to the person who has a problem with grammar etc. …people are just trying to get their point across quickly
don’t be such a boring prig!
9:02–I am a home owner near Smith St–and with all due respect–you chose to live in that location! As for efforts to be respectful– I know of a bar that routinesly closed it’s garden 5 hrs earlier than it had to in deference to the neighborhood. And while some of us appreciate the compromise–there seem to be some people who won’t acknowledge any efforts–they just want to shut all of bars & restaurants down. I don’t think anyone is blindly “pro-bar”–of course we have concerns! But we don’t own the whole neighborhood just because we own a house! I think many of the more strident defenses of bars are really aimed at those extreme complainers who some of us have observed to be bitter, angry and mean spirited. Obviously that doesn’t include every concerned resident.
9:02–I am a home owner near Smith St–and with all due respect–you chose to live in that location! As for efforts to be respectful– I know of a bar that routinesly closed it’s garden 5 hrs earlier than it had to in deference to the neighborhood. And while some of us appreciate the compromise–there seem to be some people who won’t acknowledge any efforts–they just want to shut all of bars & restaurants down. I don’t think anyone is blindly “pro-bar”–of course we have concerns! But we don’t own the whole neighborhood just because we own a house! I think many of the more strident defenses of bars are really aimed at those extreme complainers who some of us have observed to be bitter, angry and mean spirited. Obviously that doesn’t include every concerned resident.
A good old-fashioned strip club (with a private room in the back) would be my choice. Brownstone men need a place to let loose after a long day at the office.