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When did average-sized houses in Carroll Gardens start being worth over $3 million? Whenever it was, we didn’t get the memo. Last month, it was 44 1st Place, a generally attractive but inconsistent four-story house asking $3,842,500. (One reader wrote us a particularly nasty email about our stance on that post.) Now it’s 78 3rd Place, a 3,100-square-foot, three-story brick that, while 23-feet-wide and full of charm, doesn’t feel like it’s worth quite $3,495,000. Are we just out of touch with the Carroll Gardens market or sellers overreaching?
78 3rd Place [Corcoran] GMAP P*Shark


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  1. Williamsburg residents are no different than any others when it comes to being self righteous and pretentious.

    Remember when the Apple coming to Brooklyn rumor started, EVERYONE thought that it would come to The Edge in the Burg (everyone who lived in Williamsburg, that is).

    Now it comes out that NO RETAIL has even signed onto The Edge yet and Apple is looking in Downtown, Park Slope and Cobble Hill.

    I also know someone who had inside information about 6 months ago about a Trader Joes’ coming to Williamsburg.

    TJ’s cancelled those plans.

    And bye bye Galapagos. One of the few “cool” things I thought Williamsburg had going for it.

  2. defending park slope on this blog at least makes some sense.

    when williamsburg folk come on here and try to convince people how awesome their neighborhood is, we know the hood is in trouble.

    there are how many brownstones in williamsburg, exactly?

  3. “The hipster element is fading fast.”

    Williamsburg wasn’t that hip in 2001/2002, which is right around when New York magazine, NYT, etc. took notice of the place. The people who moved there at that time and are leaving now because of what’s happening in the neighborhood, if they really exist, epitomize the caricature of self-loathing “hipsterdom” so beloved on this forum. Actual cool people who did not want to work for a living had moved south, east and north by this time.

    It was all over, at least symbolically, when Planeat Thailand moved from their Bedford storefront to that thing they’re in now, which I think was around 2000. Then my smack peddler neighbor/super got locked up, wrapping up last of the Bedford avenue overt drug corners on S3rd. No more haggling a $10 blowjob from the $20 junkie whore. No more trips to the corner store for rice and beans, crack, heroin and a soda.

    I know it wasn’t cheap anymore by 2000, because I switched apartments around that time and moved into a weird-ass 1.5 bedroom on the southside for $1500–after looking for months and realizing that I was being priced out of a shithole neighborhood my family couldn’t believe I was living in. In any case, thanks for that trip down memory lane.

  4. It’s interesting to hear people talk negatively about Williamburg. I’ve known so many young people who moved there in 2001, 2002, 2003…all of who can’t stand it anymore.

    I suppose it is now attractive to a totally different set of people (mainly couples with kids). The hipster element is fading fast. It’s quite evident just from a short walk down bedford. All the cool stuff is leaving the neighborhood, being replaced by much more mainstream services and restaurants. And by mainstream, I mean mediocre.

    This is NYC though. Nothing stays the same forever.

  5. “How is that L train these days? It was insanely packed at rush hour back in 2000 when I dated somebody in Williamsburg.”

    One frequently has to let a train pass during rush hour, but the trains do run frequently, when they run at all (it’s been a while since the weekend service interruptions, but it’s a hard memory to shake).

    Think how much worse it would be if all those “freelancers” and trustafarians had jobs to go to. Long may the trust funds live!

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