Carroll Gardens Historic District May Grow
The Landmarks Preservation Commission released the boundaries of the expanded Historic District it is pushing for in Carroll Gardens and, not surprisingly, not everyone was pleased. The city would like to expand the pitifully small area that was protected back in 1973 (shown above) to include all the blocks bounded by Court Street, Henry Street,…
The Landmarks Preservation Commission released the boundaries of the expanded Historic District it is pushing for in Carroll Gardens and, not surprisingly, not everyone was pleased. The city would like to expand the pitifully small area that was protected back in 1973 (shown above) to include all the blocks bounded by Court Street, Henry Street, Huntington Street and First Place. Sounds like a nice idea to us but there are bound to be some whiners, right? Right. “Landmarking will force the old-timers out,” said John Esposito, co-founder of Citizens Against Landmarks. “All the new people who have $100,000 income a year think this is a great idea.” (This choice of this number seems reminiscent of Dr. Evil’s famous “one million dollars” line in Austin Powers; after all, it’s not like $100,000 a year goes too far in the Carroll Gardens housing market these days!) The plan for expanding the historic district is supported by the Carroll Gardens Neighborhood Association and the Brooklyn Preservation Council, and seems to be in keeping with the spirit of last year’s rezoning which made it harder to put up new out-of-context buildings in the low-rise community. No-brainer!
City Wants Second Carroll Gardens Historic District [NY Post]
“There were actually MORE black families in CH/CG when I was a kid compared to NOW! ”
CH;
I know that you want to join the chorus against me, but perhaps you should read what I wrote above first. You are making EXACTLY my point, that the diversity of CH and CG was greater in the past (when the Italians were supposedly running the place, bats in hand) then today.
Self employed has nothing to to with it — that’s a whole ‘nother story. And if you’re talking $ you’re right, but % you’re wrong.
Pete;
“Nobody castigated any particular group or made generalizations against group but you.”
Do tell! Could have fooled me.
By the way, Pete and all, I’m still waiting for ONE person to back up their claim about the supposed hostility of the Italians in Carroll Gardens. All I’ve gotten so far is personal anecdotes. Surely if the area was such a hotbed of hostility there must have been some police blotter reports, or stories in the paper.
As for the demographics of CH and CG, I repeat: go to the first edition of the AIA Guide to NYC, published in the mid-70’s, and see how the area was described.
Babs – is this before they invented AMT?
And if youre gonna compare the self-employeds (which I presume you’re doing) compare the self-employed earning 50K and the self-employed earning $250K.
Find me a salaried worker in NYC earning 250K paying less taxes than a salaried worker in NYC earning 50K and I’ll give you an IRS Fraud freephone number.
“Having been in both tax classes”
Of course I was never in that situation, my entry level job at 18 paid $250K.
“Putting in a cheap vinyl window is pennywise/pound foolish, as they may be affordable now, but don’t last more than 5 years”
So true. The people I bought my house from put in cheap replacemement windows that were always broken, had 1″ gaps on top, and needed replacing after about 5 years. I lived in what would be this new Carroll Gardens historic district, and I would’ve put in nice LPC-approved wood Marvin windows.
What Pete said.
I love benson’s gross generalizations about Puerto Ricans east of Smith. LOL!
Sorry benson, there were plenty of PR families in CH and CG proper. There were a couple of spanish families on Babs old block. Both of whom still have family there, btw! There were plenty of spanish and PR families on President and Sackett west of Clinton, and more as you continued over toward Columbia. I know, I went to school with them! There were three PR families, who’d moved here in the 40s, on my (childhood) block. There were actually MORE black families in CH/CG when I was a kid compared to NOW!
And my parents certainly weren’t yuppies! LOL! Ask Pete, he’ll tell you!
There were plenty of blocks in CH/CG where you (non-italian) knew not to walk and when! Italians were not very warm and fuzzy, as a group! But now, nearly 50 years later, a few have come to see me as an old-timer. Finally! LOL!
Benson – you are way over-generalizing. me and cobble lived in neighborhood back then and neither of us of any group you mentioned. I lived on Clinton St. – in my apt bldg were black and hispanic. Certainly lot of Italian-americans but no way a majority of people. Down further into Carroll Gardens more predominant.
You start making personal attacks – all that ‘liberal’ b.s. stuff. AFter you asked for backup on certain claims. Then get all angry when several people give personal stories.
Nobody castigated any particular group or made generalizations against group but you.
I grew up with plenty of ‘old-world’ types including my father’s oldest sister who was born other side of the ocean. No matter how much she meant to me, I would never gloss-over the ‘old-world’ attitudes she held (even wasn’t too thrilled about her own countrymen from wrong part of country).
What’s the matter dittoburg? I din’t know you were worried about your tax breaks too. Having been in both tax classes, I can tell you I actually paid less when I was earning more, for a variety of reasons. Problem is you can’t deduct your ezpenses if you don’t have the income to offset them.
Never heard the one about the DNA-postage stamp one though. Do they still make stamps like that?
Generalization? I used to live in Carroll Gardens. I know plenty of old timers in the neighborhood.