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What does everyone think about this? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8464897/Texas-realtors-refer-master-bedrooms-primary-home-sale-listings.html?ito=social-facebook&fbclid=IwAR1aoEZ7CyfsWjvOkHVtAMxFJks9BMMkU_7vKso7WJdupFYdqw0FSmmxGyo

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sjdv | 5 years and 4 months ago

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That article claims that the first recorded use of master bedroom was in 1926 by Sears, but I have absolutely seen the phrase used in advertisements well before that – but still in early 20th century.

sjdv | 5 years and 4 months ago

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That article claims that the first recorded use of master bedroom was in 1926 by Sears, but I have absolutely seen the phrase used in advertisements well before that – but still in early 20th century.

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Well that clears that up, but what about the gender bias on Sears CraftsMAN tools?

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Very interesting find, @DIBS.

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It was started by Sears… https://www.trelora.com/blog/2018/07/master-bedroom-origin/

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“Master” to refer to a male child is still used in places. European airlines, for example, use it when booking a child’s ticket. See attached for an image from the British Airways website where your choices for a child are “Miss” and “Mstr.” [Annotation 2020-07-07 163858](//muut.com/u/brownstoner/s1/:brownstoner:kd3Z:annotation20200707163858.jpg.jpg)

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Don’t forget the seagoing usage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G95g0vzTAKI

RobertGMarvin

in General Discussion 5 years and 4 months ago

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I’m OLD; I routinely got cards and things addressed to “Master Robert” when I was a kid. The meaning was innocuous then, but since it has a negative connotation now I’m glad that the usage is obsolete.

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workisfun No nothing comes to mind with anything else, It caught my eye though cause as a kid my Great Uncle had sent a Birthday card to me back in the early 60’s, and it was addressed as Master…. That led to the discussion of what it meant and that’s how I learned. Two of my great uncles were a Doctor and the other a Professor at Fordham as well as a Pharmacist. Here’s a link to the etymology of master. Seems to have plenty plenty of usages prior to slavery. https://www.etymonline.com/word/master

workisfun | 5 years and 4 months ago

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I had never heard of that first one you listed. Interesting. Where/when was that? Regarding the latter, I’m pretty sure that terminology existed at least centuries before slavery in the US. Not sure there’s any connection. I’d say when/if a critical mass has a good case against it, then it’s worth a debate. Do you have examples of language we’ve done away with that wasn’t worth it?

Chas373 | 5 years and 4 months ago

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How about the now out of date usage of the word Master for a boy who was not yet old enough to be addressed as Mister? As in Master John Doe. Or how about the usage of the word to depict one’s learning of a skill or profession at a high level. He really mastered that technique.

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I don’t know either. But the connotation, nevertheless. Especially in Southern states. It just seems like the benefit of dropping it far outweighs the the loss, which I’m at a loss to identify.

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And historically, I’m not even sure it has anything to do with slaves.. just head of household.

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I have never associated “master bedroom” with slaves. I don’t think most people have.

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@no-permitz and DIBS
It has to stop why? Does political correctness inherently mean ridiculous? What makes you think it’s just a PC gesture? Are you really attached to the phrase “master suite?” Your comment implies you would rather keep the term than peel back albeit a razor thin and nominal layer of historical oppression for millions of our citizens. It’s a pretty direct reference. Damn – if it all were that easy.

NeoGrec | 5 years and 4 months ago

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Did you really need to ask, DIBS? Just another token gesture, surely? Somehow I don’t see the RE industry being at the cutting edge of overcoming institutional racism. That said, as a queer woman, the expression “master” bedroom has never passed my lips.

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Plummeting market? I haven’t seen any indication of that.

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That article took my mind off the plummeting real estate market for 2.5 seconds.

Guest User | 5 years and 4 months ago

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No need to advertise with a previously accepted term if it could get you in big financial or PR trouble in the event someone claims offense in present era. I advertise with the term “en suite” bed/bath out of an abundance of caution