Please open your heart(h)s to us (hearthstone/mantel question)
@MDR, not always, in my case the molded part of the shelf is on the top. The bottom part of the shelf is not polished in my case so it’s not a mistake, I agree, a beautiful mantel
JohnHancock
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Guest User | 4 years and 9 months ago
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We’re adding back a 19th century decorative marble mantel fireplace to our parlor floor living room and we’re trying to figure out whether to add a hearthstone on the floor in front of it– and if so, what the rough dimensions of it should be.
For some context, all original details was stripped out of the building in the 1930s, so we’re adding some of it bad (a “copy of original detail”). We’re about to do the floors so we need to get this figured out ASAP. Initially, I was thinking we’d add a mid-tone gray slate that would be the width of the base of the mantel (not the width of the shelf). But it might be tough to precisely measure that, since the mantel is currently in about 15 pieces. I think it’ll come to about 52″ wide, but it’s difficult to judge how deep it should be (meaning the distance the hearthstone juts out from the wall). If you happen to have a similar hearthstone/mantel situation, a rough measurement would be very helpful!
However… we’re also considering not putting in a hearthstone at all. Several of the other buildings on the block which were built by the same builder in 1867 have original details, and those mantels do NOT actually have a hearthstone. (It’s possible these were always decorative, and merely acted as vents for heat from another source. As proof, the original-seeming box-pattern parquet flooring runs up directly to the mantel.)
We’re probably way overthinking this, and wouldn’t really notice one way or the other after enough time… but just wanted to get the forum’s thoughts!
Guest User | 4 years and 9 months ago
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Quick follow-up: I checked with my neighbor, and she said her mantel doesn’t have a hearthstone– but she also said she doesn’t think her box-pattern parquet floors are actually original. Instead, they were likely added 15 or 20 years after the house was built (in the 1880s/1890s), at which point the hearthstone was covered up.
JohnHancock | 4 years and 9 months ago
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11×46 slate and 12×53 marble
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Please post a photo of the mantel and room too if possible.
JohnHancock | 4 years and 9 months ago
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If you measure one of the 2 arched pieces of your mantel and double that you should have the width of your mantel, add an inch or so for each side. If you had a hearthstone originally you may be still be able to see it in your floor as a patch where it would have been
cate | 4 years and 9 months ago
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It depends on the style and dimensions of the mantel. Look at photos of fireplaces with original surrounds and hearths, see where the hearth ends, and measure your own. Marble, slate and wood mantels have slightly different hearth treatments.
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Hearths vary slightly depending on the era and style of the mantel, I mean.
MDR | 4 years and 9 months ago
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You definitely need a hearth extension if the fireplace is going to look real. We have a 1870s Italianate and the original hearth extensions are all about the same- about 53″ wide and 9″ extension from the base on each side. I’ll attach a photo showing the extension which is pretty beat up but looks like a grey marble. Any wood floor should have a wood border around the stone like in the picture, although I understand at the time my house was built they would have covered the wood with carpet. These were not wood burning fireplaces. A wood burning fireplace would have a much deeper extension to handle burning embers, etc. [IMG_8520](//muut.com/u/brownstoner/s3/:brownstoner:4R3E:img_8520.jpg.jpg) . For later houses mid 1880s-1890s tile hearths were common too.
Guest User | 4 years and 9 months ago
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Thanks for the replies (and for helping distract me from watching the election results!). We’re going slightly over on the width just to be safe (would rather have the hearth extend beyond the base than be too small). All the original detail was removed back around the 1930s, including the floors and original plaster/moldings, so we didn’t have any useful guidelines; and the marble mantel is something we got from a brownstone in Hoboken. Attaching a photo of the in-progress parlor living room (there are new crown molding but the walls still need to be skimmed/painted… and there are no floors, of course!). Also including a photo of the mantel (sans keystone) as it looked when it was assembled in that Hoboken brownstone, and a photo of it in multiple pieces. [Parlor](//muut.com/u/brownstoner/s3/:brownstoner:gXDk:parlor.jpg.jpg) [Mantelparlorassembled2](//muut.com/u/brownstoner/s1/:brownstoner:ctDN:mantelparlorassembled2.jpg.jpg) [Mantel1](//muut.com/u/brownstoner/s3/:brownstoner:HrR0:mantel1.jpg.jpg)
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Looks like a very nice fireplace surround. Typically the mantel/shelf width matches the width of the chimney breast (the extension from the wall). I’ll attach a photo of ours. Also, I noticed that in the photo of the stone surround in Hoboken they have the mantel/shelf upside down. When the edge is molded the widest portion is usually up, the molded curve shape should be down. [IMG_8525 (002)](//muut.com/u/brownstoner/s3/:brownstoner:la4j:img_8525002.jpg.jpg)
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Beautiful mantel and looks like it’s the the perfect style and era for a circa 1867 house.