Parquet Border
So I’m thinking about installing an 1890s style parquet border in a room that dos not have original flooring. It seems it is common for them to come glued up and backed, so they won’t need to be top nailed. The topnailing is part of the look, so I’m wondering if I should consider shooting finish nails into the product after it’s installed. Will the glued up version look funny, or too regular? Any opinions on whether to use 3/4″ or 5/16th peices? Anyone done this? What do you think?
Urbandad

hkapstein
in General Discussion 4 years and 8 months ago
26
Please log in, in order to post replies!

hkapstein | 4 years and 8 months ago
string(1) "1" object(WP_User)#5135 (8) { ["data"]=> object(stdClass)#4924 (12) { ["ID"]=> string(6) "197623" ["user_login"]=> string(9) "hkapstein" ["user_pass"]=> string(34) "$P$Bi/rarQU.AidQ5DWnWIzXSi7UikLcx/" ["user_nicename"]=> string(31) "boerumamaemailnotprovided-local" ["user_email"]=> string(19) "hkapstein@gmail.com" ["user_url"]=> string(0) "" ["user_registered"]=> string(19) "2018-06-15 18:43:24" ["user_activation_key"]=> string(0) "" ["user_status"]=> string(1) "0" ["display_name"]=> string(14) "Helen Kapstein" ["spam"]=> string(1) "0" ["deleted"]=> string(1) "0" } ["ID"]=> int(197623) ["caps"]=> array(1) { ["subscriber"]=> bool(true) } ["cap_key"]=> string(15) "wp_capabilities" ["roles"]=> array(1) { [0]=> string(10) "subscriber" } ["allcaps"]=> array(3) { ["read"]=> bool(true) ["level_0"]=> bool(true) ["subscriber"]=> bool(true) } ["filter"]=> NULL ["site_id":"WP_User":private]=> int(1) }
I think this will be a fun project, and with a little effort you can make a really neat looking floor at not much extra cost. 5/16ths flooring is cheaper than 3/4 T&G and as you point out, it has the same wear layer before you sand into the tongue and the floor is finished anyway. Plus you eliminate that pounding and pressing and it’s more like making a jigsaw puzzle.
But why glue vs nails? Is it easier? Nails can be pulled out if they need to, but glue is a one shot deal.

hkapstein | 4 years and 8 months ago
string(1) "1" object(WP_User)#5136 (8) { ["data"]=> object(stdClass)#5134 (12) { ["ID"]=> string(6) "197623" ["user_login"]=> string(9) "hkapstein" ["user_pass"]=> string(34) "$P$Bi/rarQU.AidQ5DWnWIzXSi7UikLcx/" ["user_nicename"]=> string(31) "boerumamaemailnotprovided-local" ["user_email"]=> string(19) "hkapstein@gmail.com" ["user_url"]=> string(0) "" ["user_registered"]=> string(19) "2018-06-15 18:43:24" ["user_activation_key"]=> string(0) "" ["user_status"]=> string(1) "0" ["display_name"]=> string(14) "Helen Kapstein" ["spam"]=> string(1) "0" ["deleted"]=> string(1) "0" } ["ID"]=> int(197623) ["caps"]=> array(1) { ["subscriber"]=> bool(true) } ["cap_key"]=> string(15) "wp_capabilities" ["roles"]=> array(1) { [0]=> string(10) "subscriber" } ["allcaps"]=> array(3) { ["read"]=> bool(true) ["level_0"]=> bool(true) ["subscriber"]=> bool(true) } ["filter"]=> NULL ["site_id":"WP_User":private]=> int(1) }
Regarding the furing strips, the vendors I’m talking to offer the product papererd apparantly so it can be be layed down and lined up and nailed or glued. Then the paper will be sanded off when the floor is sanded even prior to varnishing. There is some need to deal with corners. Some patterns have special corners pre made, and others require mitering or making, or other special techniques.

hkapstein | 4 years and 8 months ago
string(1) "1" object(WP_User)#4924 (8) { ["data"]=> object(stdClass)#4931 (12) { ["ID"]=> string(6) "197623" ["user_login"]=> string(9) "hkapstein" ["user_pass"]=> string(34) "$P$Bi/rarQU.AidQ5DWnWIzXSi7UikLcx/" ["user_nicename"]=> string(31) "boerumamaemailnotprovided-local" ["user_email"]=> string(19) "hkapstein@gmail.com" ["user_url"]=> string(0) "" ["user_registered"]=> string(19) "2018-06-15 18:43:24" ["user_activation_key"]=> string(0) "" ["user_status"]=> string(1) "0" ["display_name"]=> string(14) "Helen Kapstein" ["spam"]=> string(1) "0" ["deleted"]=> string(1) "0" } ["ID"]=> int(197623) ["caps"]=> array(1) { ["subscriber"]=> bool(true) } ["cap_key"]=> string(15) "wp_capabilities" ["roles"]=> array(1) { [0]=> string(10) "subscriber" } ["allcaps"]=> array(3) { ["read"]=> bool(true) ["level_0"]=> bool(true) ["subscriber"]=> bool(true) } ["filter"]=> NULL ["site_id":"WP_User":private]=> int(1) }
Thanks Steve, was just reading your post as you updated. I also want to do diagonal slats for the field area, so that would be a lot of cutting, and I do feel like it might be easier to top nail 5/16ths than to install tongue and groove, and it uses less finish material. Cuttting those diagonal slats may be a job, but since they are parallel, I’m think it will be not too bad with a miter saw. I need to find slats of wood 1.5″ thick though. Any thoguhts on this?

stevecym | 4 years and 8 months ago
string(1) "1" object(WP_User)#5134 (8) { ["data"]=> object(stdClass)#5135 (12) { ["ID"]=> string(5) "21525" ["user_login"]=> string(8) "stevecym" ["user_pass"]=> string(0) "" ["user_nicename"]=> string(8) "stevecym" ["user_email"]=> string(24) "stevecymbalsky@yahoo.com" ["user_url"]=> string(30) "/forums/users/thetinkerswagon/" ["user_registered"]=> string(19) "2017-08-10 14:05:31" ["user_activation_key"]=> string(20) "xLyD4JX1CSeJzFu7zs4j" ["user_status"]=> string(1) "0" ["display_name"]=> string(8) "stevecym" ["spam"]=> string(1) "0" ["deleted"]=> string(1) "0" } ["ID"]=> int(21525) ["caps"]=> array(2) { ["subscriber"]=> bool(true) ["bbp_participant"]=> bool(true) } ["cap_key"]=> string(15) "wp_capabilities" ["roles"]=> array(2) { [0]=> string(10) "subscriber" [1]=> string(15) "bbp_participant" } ["allcaps"]=> array(4) { ["read"]=> bool(true) ["level_0"]=> bool(true) ["subscriber"]=> bool(true) ["bbp_participant"]=> bool(true) } ["filter"]=> NULL ["site_id":"WP_User":private]=> int(1) }
I just thought more about this. I have patched parquet and herringbone. So here is the thing. Patching is easy as you are working in a defined space so it is hard to screw up. If I were making a border, I would nail down two straight firring strips the length of the wall and work between them. Once you lay the first one out, it will fly.

stevecym | 4 years and 8 months ago
string(1) "1" object(WP_User)#4931 (8) { ["data"]=> object(stdClass)#5136 (12) { ["ID"]=> string(5) "21525" ["user_login"]=> string(8) "stevecym" ["user_pass"]=> string(0) "" ["user_nicename"]=> string(8) "stevecym" ["user_email"]=> string(24) "stevecymbalsky@yahoo.com" ["user_url"]=> string(30) "/forums/users/thetinkerswagon/" ["user_registered"]=> string(19) "2017-08-10 14:05:31" ["user_activation_key"]=> string(20) "xLyD4JX1CSeJzFu7zs4j" ["user_status"]=> string(1) "0" ["display_name"]=> string(8) "stevecym" ["spam"]=> string(1) "0" ["deleted"]=> string(1) "0" } ["ID"]=> int(21525) ["caps"]=> array(2) { ["subscriber"]=> bool(true) ["bbp_participant"]=> bool(true) } ["cap_key"]=> string(15) "wp_capabilities" ["roles"]=> array(2) { [0]=> string(10) "subscriber" [1]=> string(15) "bbp_participant" } ["allcaps"]=> array(4) { ["read"]=> bool(true) ["level_0"]=> bool(true) ["subscriber"]=> bool(true) ["bbp_participant"]=> bool(true) } ["filter"]=> NULL ["site_id":"WP_User":private]=> int(1) }
I just reread your heading. A border would be easy to cut and lay yourself out of 5/16. Whole floor, a lot of cutting. A border will go fast.

stevecym | 4 years and 8 months ago
string(1) "1" object(WP_User)#4924 (8) { ["data"]=> object(stdClass)#5137 (12) { ["ID"]=> string(5) "21525" ["user_login"]=> string(8) "stevecym" ["user_pass"]=> string(0) "" ["user_nicename"]=> string(8) "stevecym" ["user_email"]=> string(24) "stevecymbalsky@yahoo.com" ["user_url"]=> string(30) "/forums/users/thetinkerswagon/" ["user_registered"]=> string(19) "2017-08-10 14:05:31" ["user_activation_key"]=> string(20) "xLyD4JX1CSeJzFu7zs4j" ["user_status"]=> string(1) "0" ["display_name"]=> string(8) "stevecym" ["spam"]=> string(1) "0" ["deleted"]=> string(1) "0" } ["ID"]=> int(21525) ["caps"]=> array(2) { ["subscriber"]=> bool(true) ["bbp_participant"]=> bool(true) } ["cap_key"]=> string(15) "wp_capabilities" ["roles"]=> array(2) { [0]=> string(10) "subscriber" [1]=> string(15) "bbp_participant" } ["allcaps"]=> array(4) { ["read"]=> bool(true) ["level_0"]=> bool(true) ["subscriber"]=> bool(true) ["bbp_participant"]=> bool(true) } ["filter"]=> NULL ["site_id":"WP_User":private]=> int(1) }
3/4″ t&g has the same sanding thickness as 5/16. Many if not most of the old houses are 5/16. All of the real floor suppliers stock the 5/16. I did my kitchen using 5/16 even though at the time I had more experience with 3/4 t&g. I might prefer 5/16 under the assumption it saves resources.
I too nailed mine in a nice pattern thinking it was important at the time. I would forgo nails now and glue down.
Also, if you do this yourself, the t&g is a hell of a lot more back breaking work. The last time I did one I was in my late 40’s and it was a hot week in the summer and the customer was worried I would do myself in.
I do a lot of patches for people and in my own house and when I have questions I see the guy named Jack at the place right outside lowes gate. Might be NY floor. He is super helpful. I also use east side on 123 st in manhattan but they are less informative, used to selling more to specialists.
I have never lain precut squares but have made my own on site for patches. I have handled them though and they look like they would go down fast. Either way once you get going you can move.