nyc notice of property value

i personally am not disputing that properties should be taxed equitably based on that their fair market value, just that this value should not be arbitrarily determined.

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oliver_nyc | 3 years and 3 months ago

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curious if anyone else has seen their NOPV from the city approach fantastical levels. i know these don’t impact current property taxes but certainly if the reforms come to fruition i expect the city will try to use these outlandish market values as a starting point. in the last ten years our property value (according to the city) has gone up 700%. if i could sell my house for anywhere near the property value i got from the city today i’d be retired on a beach. i’m all for more equity in the property tax system but it feels like the city is preparing for this by artificially inflating market values to ludicrous levels. in the case of our house (last partially renovated over a decade ago) no house within a ten block radius (including gut renos) has sold at even 75% of the NOPV amount. i mean isn’t the city supposed to use some kind of real world comps?

cate | 3 years and 3 months ago

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Yes, the city is supposed to use real-world comps. Are they using the wrong ones? You can ands should contest this.

dorkofwindsor | 3 years and 3 months ago

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https://www1.nyc.gov/site/finance/taxes/property-forms/property-forms-assessments-and-valuations.page

oliver_nyc | 3 years and 3 months ago

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yeah i’ve already appealed… been doing so for years. little success getting more than a trivial reduction sadly… if this reform comes to pass it’s going to be a mess of assessment/ appeals!

RobertGMarvin

in General Discussion 3 years and 3 months ago

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FWIW my DOF property value has seemed slightly on the low side for the last several years. I received my notice yesterday and the amount inexplicably went down by $66,000, even though houses on my block have been selling for record prices. Of course I’m NOT complaining.

oliver_nyc | 3 years and 3 months ago

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yeah not a single neighboring house (including ones that sold for almost 2x ours when we bought 10+ yrs ago) has a DOF market value that is in the same ballpark as ours. i’ve tried to highlight to the DOF that perhaps they’re using incorrect comps but i feel like its all just automated over there. our MV per the DOF went up 30% vs last year – congrats on yours going down! if this continues i may need to hire an attorney/ expeditor or something…

RobertGMarvin

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Before hiring a lawyer you might try getting help from your Council member, and/or the Public Advocate’s office

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No help from council member. It was a waste of time. The public advocate is the right person.

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thanks. i’ve reached out to both the taxpayer advocate and nyc public advocate. let’s see. this probably isn’t high on their list of things to action but it’s an annoying problem to have our property be the only one in the neighborhood that has a market value so disconnected from reality. i’m guessing whatever automated mass appraisal system the DOF is using is somehow being misapplied.

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Taxpayer advocate in name only – also waste of time btw. But try and let us know how it goes. Also the DOF doesn’t like it when you tell them your property is over appraised compared to neighboring ones. They can’t handle the fact that there is no rhyme or reason to their values.

oliver_nyc | 3 years and 3 months ago

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yeah i’m not holding out much hope. frankly i’m just concerned these ridiculous market values will form the basis for whatever changes this proposed reform brings. hopefully a wholesale, accurate reappraisal is part of all that.

ceci | 3 years and 3 months ago

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I appealed 4 years ago and sent the 3 appraisals and submitted all paperwork required. They lowered the market value, but the property tax remained the same….. I don’t trust this system and if there is an attorney that has been successful; please leave your info. here!!!

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most of the time a reduction in the market value won’t actually reduce your taxes. the current system uses an “effective market value” concept to calculate taxes and that value is subject to annual caps in how much it can increase. the result is that this effective market value is mostly well below the actual market value and a reduction in the latter won’t impact the former. i’m really just focused on the actual market value because i think in the proposed property tax reforms this will be used to calculate our taxes so am kind of keen to make sure they’re not fantasy.

hasibur.rahman07 | 3 years and 3 months ago

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They will never reveal how those taxes are calculated. The market value will not change your taxes and square footage has no impact on your taxes either. @ceci the paperwork takes a lot of time and then it’s frustrating as nothing changes. I sort of think they don’t read any of the appeals

Guest User | 3 years and 3 months ago

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I also received a notice. They do have meetings every few months to explain how these taxes are calculated via Zoom.

hasibur.rahman07 | 3 years and 3 months ago

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@ladyred They pretend to be transparent. You’ll get an inkling of what might affect the taxes but there’s a lot they don’t share. They will never provide the exact formula they use and they will basically say everyone’s market value is well below what the houses are selling for. The end.

oliver_nyc | 3 years and 3 months ago

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right now the “market value” number doesn’t figure into taxes. the proposed reforms, however, will use this figure so we all better make sure that number reflects reality. no house in my neighborhood has ever sold for my “market value” and ours would never even be close.

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The market value does not figure. However DOF also use it as a way to say to “Your market value is below what houses are selling for so your essentially paying less that you should” Meanwhile most of the the neighborhood is also paying much less with market values that are on par with yours.
One person’s property may be over market value and another may be under but that’s inconsistent. They are clearly using different criteria and calculations.

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part of my appeal this year notes this inconsistency… there are neighboring houses of similar quality whose DOF market value has gone down while ours is up 30%. clearly whatever automated mass appraisal model they’re using is complete nonsense.