nyc notice of property value

curious if anyone else has seen their NOPV from the city approach fantastical levels. i know these don’t impact current property taxes but certainly if the reforms come to fruition i expect the city will try to use these outlandish market values as a starting point. in the last ten years our property value (according to the city) has gone up 700%. if i could sell my house for anywhere near the property value i got from the city today i’d be retired on a beach. i’m all for more equity in the property tax system but it feels like the city is preparing for this by artificially inflating market values to ludicrous levels. in the case of our house (last partially renovated over a decade ago) no house within a ten block radius (including gut renos) has sold at even 75% of the NOPV amount. i mean isn’t the city supposed to use some kind of real world comps?

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oliver_nyc | 3 years and 2 months ago

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i personally am not disputing that properties should be taxed equitably based on that their fair market value, just that this value should not be arbitrarily determined.

randolph | 3 years and 2 months ago

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whatever is going on no one can argue that the way townhouses are taxed is fair. all over bed stuy, ft greene, clinton hill, park slope etc. you have 2, 3, 4 million dollar properties paying less than $5000 a year in taxes and then you have a condo worth half that paying over $10000. something has to give.

oliver_nyc | 3 years and 3 months ago

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so a quick update. not surprisingly the DOF refused to adjust my market value citing they are using the correct comps. working with the taxpayer advocate i was able to find out the exact properties they’re using for this and not surprisingly they are wildly inappropriate – one is a brand new 2017 construction with an underground attached garage, the other is a carriage house on a non-trafficked street and the third is a house where the square footage in the DOF database is off by almost half (grossly inflating the $/sqft of that comp.) i’m still appealing to the DOF to address these issues (especially the blatant data error) but so far no response.

the upshot here is that if the new property tax reform comes into play and we’re to rely on the DOF to arrive at the “fair market value”, many of us will be in trouble. there doesn’t seem to be a way to work with the DOF to correct their approach or obvious errors. having the DOF claim the market value of your house is 2-3x what it would fetch at sale and then having your property taxes be based on that seems to contain as much inequity as the proponents of the reform claim the current system has.

Arkady | 3 years and 3 months ago

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I found it worthwhile to go to one of the seminars they hold. Knowledgeable & helpful staff really helped.

Augustiner | 3 years and 3 months ago

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It’s a scam.
No one understands the property tax calculation because it is just made up numbers .
There are no laws this is based on that anyone can produce (I mean proper laws, not a leaflet or an explanation of the nonsensical formula).

No one can tell you what the base of taxation is. It’s certainly not property value. It’s more like ‘when did you improve your property and were you stupid enough to do safely and legally’

Bottom line:: If it’s called taxation it should be equal and transparent.

hasibur.rahman07 | 3 years and 3 months ago

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I tried that and response from DOF official was “I own an house and my neighbor’s house is appraised at a lower level and I pay more than them”. It’s ridiculous and feel like it’s a no win but persevere with any and all approaches. Let us know if anything works.

oliver_nyc | 3 years and 3 months ago

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part of my appeal this year notes this inconsistency… there are neighboring houses of similar quality whose DOF market value has gone down while ours is up 30%. clearly whatever automated mass appraisal model they’re using is complete nonsense.

hasibur.rahman07 | 3 years and 3 months ago

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The market value does not figure. However DOF also use it as a way to say to “Your market value is below what houses are selling for so your essentially paying less that you should” Meanwhile most of the the neighborhood is also paying much less with market values that are on par with yours.
One person’s property may be over market value and another may be under but that’s inconsistent. They are clearly using different criteria and calculations.

oliver_nyc | 3 years and 3 months ago

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right now the “market value” number doesn’t figure into taxes. the proposed reforms, however, will use this figure so we all better make sure that number reflects reality. no house in my neighborhood has ever sold for my “market value” and ours would never even be close.

hasibur.rahman07 | 3 years and 3 months ago

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@ladyred They pretend to be transparent. You’ll get an inkling of what might affect the taxes but there’s a lot they don’t share. They will never provide the exact formula they use and they will basically say everyone’s market value is well below what the houses are selling for. The end.

Guest User | 3 years and 3 months ago

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I also received a notice. They do have meetings every few months to explain how these taxes are calculated via Zoom.

hasibur.rahman07 | 3 years and 3 months ago

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They will never reveal how those taxes are calculated. The market value will not change your taxes and square footage has no impact on your taxes either. @ceci the paperwork takes a lot of time and then it’s frustrating as nothing changes. I sort of think they don’t read any of the appeals

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most of the time a reduction in the market value won’t actually reduce your taxes. the current system uses an “effective market value” concept to calculate taxes and that value is subject to annual caps in how much it can increase. the result is that this effective market value is mostly well below the actual market value and a reduction in the latter won’t impact the former. i’m really just focused on the actual market value because i think in the proposed property tax reforms this will be used to calculate our taxes so am kind of keen to make sure they’re not fantasy.

ceci | 3 years and 3 months ago

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I appealed 4 years ago and sent the 3 appraisals and submitted all paperwork required. They lowered the market value, but the property tax remained the same….. I don’t trust this system and if there is an attorney that has been successful; please leave your info. here!!!

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yeah i’m not holding out much hope. frankly i’m just concerned these ridiculous market values will form the basis for whatever changes this proposed reform brings. hopefully a wholesale, accurate reappraisal is part of all that.

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Taxpayer advocate in name only – also waste of time btw. But try and let us know how it goes. Also the DOF doesn’t like it when you tell them your property is over appraised compared to neighboring ones. They can’t handle the fact that there is no rhyme or reason to their values.

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thanks. i’ve reached out to both the taxpayer advocate and nyc public advocate. let’s see. this probably isn’t high on their list of things to action but it’s an annoying problem to have our property be the only one in the neighborhood that has a market value so disconnected from reality. i’m guessing whatever automated mass appraisal system the DOF is using is somehow being misapplied.

hasibur.rahman07 | 3 years and 3 months ago

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No help from council member. It was a waste of time. The public advocate is the right person.

RobertGMarvin

in General Discussion 3 years and 3 months ago

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Before hiring a lawyer you might try getting help from your Council member, and/or the Public Advocate’s office