Leaving pine wood floors in a kitchen for a rental?

Cate – Glad you are liking the Marmoleum choice.

But I really have to disagree that vinyl floors are OK – I never liked them, even before we thought about the environmental concerns with vinyl. I’d not rent a place with them (and haven’t since the ’80s), as I don’t like the way they feel underfoot.

I’ve liked my wood kitchen floors best (all were original, old wood); secondly, the tiled ones – though I found tile hard to stand on without padding, and cold under bare feet in the winter (which I remedied with cotton rag rugs – a friend told me that was tacky, but I preferred the warmth and comfort); and I also like real linoleum just fine, and would certainly install it in a kitchen renovation that didn’t have nice, original wood floors in it already, though I haven’t lived with it since I was a child.

Come to think of it, only in the chronically under-heated brownstones were the tiles too cold – in an overheated, larger building, they were warm enough, though I still had to place a rubber mat in front of the sink for comfort while standing there.

Any of those – wood, tile or linoleum – will also last many times longer than vinyl, which I find wears poorly on the surface, even when installed properly in sheet vinyl form.

brokelin

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stickerhappy | 4 years and 9 months ago

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We were going to put down new tile in the kitchen of our rental apartment but when we pulled up the old tile we found that the original wood floor is actually in nice shape.
It is not the subfloor, it is just pine flooring original to the house.
It’d be much cheaper to just refinish it but is that a bad idea in a rental to have a wood kitchen floor?
Just wondering if the money we save skipping tile now will be lost because we need to refinish between every tenant when the floors get more easily messed up.
Any thoughts on that?

cate | 4 years and 9 months ago

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Hm…..I feel you on this. We have wood floors in our kitchens too and thought about exposing them but decided against it (but ours are in poor condition). It probably is advisable to have durable easy to care for floors in a rental. What about putting down Marmoleum, vinyl or cork? (Well, perhaps cork isn’t that easy to care for.) The installers put down a plywood layer and don’t glue the floor directly to the wood, so the wood floor should be unharmed in case you want to refinish it later.

NeoGrec | 4 years and 9 months ago

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I like Cate’s Marmoleum suggestion. Another thought might be to do a couple of extra coats of poly on the pine floors.

RobertGMarvin

in General Discussion 4 years and 9 months ago

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I also like the idea of Marmoleum; the stuff is beautiful. However I can’t imagine thinking of it as a TEMPORARY solution, since it’s SO expensive.

stickerhappy | 4 years and 9 months ago

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I don’t know about marmoleum.
If it’s expensive though, might as well go with tile right? Even if it costs just a little more. The hope was to overall save costs.

RobertGMarvin

in General Discussion 4 years and 9 months ago

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AFAIK Marmoleum is more costly than tile.

cate | 4 years and 9 months ago

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Marmoleum plus installation by a certified installer in a 12 x 15 kitchen was about $1500 or $1800 in 2011 or so. We just installed Marmoleum in our 4×6 bathroom last week and it was $850 for the Marmoleum and installation.

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We put down four coats of satin poly on our soft pine subfloors (not in the kitchen but in other rooms) and they are beautiful but if you drag a chair across them they scratch. It would be an issue under a kitchen table where one is constantly scooting in and out unless perhaps the chairs have felt bottoms or the table and chairs are on a rug or floor cloth or other covering.

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I would put a layer of paper down and cover it with a prefinished laminate floor. The pine floor in a tenants space will get destroyed real fast. Its too soft. Mine were ruined by the tenants moving out and gouging the floors by dragging furniture

stickerhappy | 4 years and 9 months ago

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Who did your marmoleum install, Cate?

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Wow Care—I guess we got a REALLY high estimate when we considered Marmoleum for the tiny mud room between our garden door and our ground floor half bath. That little space would have cost >$1.000.

We ended using $30 worth of vinyl tile instead.

stickerhappy | 4 years and 9 months ago

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I know it’s soft pine so does that mean I’m refinishing it after every tenant?

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I think something far less drastic than refinishing would suffice. Waxing with a buffing machine, or an application of something like Rejuvinate. would do an adequate job.

JohnHancock | 4 years and 9 months ago

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Its not the refinnishing that the issue with soft pine, the damage done to the would when something heavy gets dragged or dropped goes easily 1/4 ” deep, it’s not like a hardwood floor. It will be ruined easily

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IMO that kind of damage, if waxed, or coated with Rejuvinate, adds to a pine floor’s character.

brokelin | 4 years and 9 months ago

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I rented a condo with soft pine floors (century-old beautiful heart pine floorboards) that did indeed indent if you so much as looked at them, or rather, dropped something (anything, even a paperback book) on them. I was very careful with the floors, but I realize all tenants are not like me. In my kitchen, I put down a bamboo slat rug which had a backing and a honeycomb rug pad to protect the pine floor from the inevitable drops and spills in a kitchen. (You could possibly cover the floor that way, it would cost less.)

I can see why you might want to protect the pine floor, but if you are thinking about the laminate suggestion given above, I’d say, just put down oak floorboards instead. They’ll last much longer, you can refinish them, and they won’t creak like some laminate does, or reduce the value of your rental like laminate floors would. (Can you tell I hate laminate floors?) Plus, wood is easier on the bones underfoot than tile, and not as cold in the winter. I have lived in brownstones with original oak parquet and floorboard floors in the kitchens, and th ey held up just fine (thought those rooms weren’t originally kitchens, they had been rental kitchens for many decades by then.). Also, if you ever want to remove the floor you install over the pine, I think that wood may be much easier to remove than tile.

I wouldn’t recommend tile, especially if your rental is in a brownstone – when I bought my brownstone coop, I was later sad that the previous owners who renovated had tiled the kitchen rather than leaving the original wood floor (in what was originally a bedroom) uncovered (leaving a rather unfortunate little lip to step up into the kitchen in doing so). I much preferred the original oak kitchen floors in my previous brownstone rentals, for the reasons stated above, but also because I think they fit better with the brownstone apartment character.

If your rental is in an larger building built as apartments, then you could tile (though I am very glad that my condo rental in such a building had left the same original heart pine floor in the kitchen, rather than cover it with tile, leaving the same pine flooring that was throughout the place (except the bathroom, which was originally tiled.). That pine had lasted there in the original kitchen space for 100 years (although it had been refinished), and was still gorgeous. You (or a future owner) may want to uncover it again, so take care not to destroy it while covering it.

brokelin | 4 years and 9 months ago

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Cate – so you went with marmoleum for the bathroom – how do you like it??

JohnHancock | 4 years and 9 months ago

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I prefer wood as well but that you have to nail down thus damaging the pine floor. The laminate would be easy to install and later to take out without damage to the floor underneath

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If you’re doing a laminate type option, try vinyl plank. Lays down like a click lock laminate but extra waterproof and just as value conscious.