How to install boards to finish ceiling?

i have not seen one of those since my grandfather passed away.

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andriywww1990 | 3 years and 1 month ago

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so about shims. anybody doing anything such as cabinet hanging, setting crown molding, setting the t&g boards to a ceiling would be wise to have a lot of shims around. sometimes they are needed to actually set and hold something away from something long term and sometimes they are only temporary while things are being nailed or waiting for adhesive to dry.

this is the issue with the modern shims: they taper to almost 1/8″ and stop (I put a vernier on one yesterday for this reply and it was a 1/10 of an inch). the old starter course shims taper to paper thin. this is important: when nyc sport mentioned lining up butt joints, he or she was not talking about something being out of alignment by 1/4″ or 1/8″, they meant down to 1/16″ or 1/32″ or even 1/64″. when we are setting cabinets (which i no longer do) and are aligning the face frames, they have to be perfect, not 1/64″ or 1/128″ off. perfect. we cannot do that with shims that taper to 1/8 of an inch because trying to use them would throw the cabinet or board we are trying to shim out too far out, in front of the one next to it we are trying to equal.

let me explain why else shims are useful, beyond aligning. you may actually have something placed nicely (straight), like the furring that sport and i think Green talk about. or some trim around a room. or the boards op is talking about. and you feel you need another nail or maybe to catch a stud or joist you must place that nail or screw in THAT spot – not 4″ to the side. If you have a gap between what what you are setting (furring, molding or boards) and the substrate in that spot and your furring or finish trim is other wise straight, placing the nail or screw will throw it off (deflect it) and will throw the entire job off including any unglued butt joints (the deflection will change the trajectory of the wood and by the time you get to the end of it, it might stick out and even if it is not sticking out, you are turning the wood in such a way that you have opened the joint up and all the nails in the world may not close it. on the furring this can follow through to the finish product (some trim and finish wood is nailed “floating”; a little loose to prevent some of this). But 1/32″ can be visible. so what do you do? put a shim behind the furring or trim
where you wish to nail or screw it and break it off later if need be. but the shims have to taper to less than 1/8″ to use them in most of these situations.

by the way, when us boys were in 9th grade wood shop, it was not “tongue and groove”; it was t “in” g and i almost made the mistake of writing that yesterday but caught it.

where is bob marvin these days? i can tell he is not reading.

RobertGMarvin

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I’m reading Steve, but wouldn’t dream, rank amateur that I am, to c attempt to add anything to your wealth of knowledge about woodworking. 🙂

andriywww1990 | 3 years and 1 month ago

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bob, most of the people on here don’t want to read what i write and some may not understand it. those who understand it have probably attempted all this stuff and encountered the headaches i have suffered. what many people do not understand and i tell people (other contractors and even my own family who think i tell people too much) this all the time: help a few people on here and good for them if they can do this based on what i say; i am happy for them. all of the other people, including people who do not own a hammer and do not care what a hammer is used for will call and ask us to do the project because they know the only way you learn this stuff is by doing it a lot (and making a lot of mistakes). this thing about being secretive with how things are done, it does not work. People who think they know something that others do not are wrong; someone out there could have said what i said above but they are not on here. be open, tell them everything and the phone will ring and it does. older contractors and successful people in trades, etc were like tha t when i was a kid, they told us young guys everything if we were willing to listen (that, not listening, was sometimes a problem and now that those people are gone it is too late).

But Robert, you really should read what i wrote. see how i knew you didn’t?

RobertGMarvin

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You’ve got me stumped Steve; how do you “know” I didn’t read what you wrote?
(I REALLY did, although it’s always possible that I might have missed something).

stevecym | 3 years and 1 month ago

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Read back.

RobertGMarvin

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??? 🙂

stevecym | 3 years and 1 month ago

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Someplace i talk about bostich and mention that you recall when bostich was known as the boston stitching company. I got that a little off: it was the boston wire stitcher company. I do better with dates and years and such.

RobertGMarvin

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Oh—I u send to drive past the Swingline factory when I drive home from work (they were near th Brooklyn end of the Interboro Parkway) but I don’t know much about Bostich.

andriywww1990 | 3 years and 1 month ago

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swingline must have been all over. they had one in long island city by the railroad tracks, i guess skillman ave. i think they were trying to landmark the sign years ago.

i remember the schools had a swingline stapler, i think it was a 747 like the plane.

i just realized, i have an old swingline on my desk and just checked, it says LIC, NY on it. i went through a lot of cheap, crappy plastic staplers before i found this one at a yard sale. this one is probably like 40 years old. i have had it for at least ten years.

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I think Swingline staplers are still made, but not I’m LIC or Brooklyn. I remember passing the LIC factory on the Flushing Line when I lived in Queens. I still have a ‘40s Swingline stapler that belonged to my Father.

stevecym | 3 years and 1 month ago

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The flushing line. Bob, when i moved to sunnyside in 1995, my grandfather said “that’s on the flushing line”. Us kids know it as the 7 train.

I bet that stapler has one of those plunger things on top that you hit with the palm of your hand. Yep, my grandad had one of those.

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Yes, it has a plunger-like thingie