Gas Crisis

Holy sh*t! I just got this email from National Grid. 48 years in our house heating with natural gas and I’ve NEVER seen anything like this!
National Grid Urgent Request:
Please Reduce
Natural Gas Usage ? Due to extreme temperatures resulting in increased energy demand and unexpected interstate pipeline disruptions, we are asking for your assistance this evening to help us prevent a potential natural gas outage in your area. We realize this is an inconvenient time while you may be at home with friends and family celebrating the holidays. We’re asking all natural gas customers in Brooklyn, Queens, Staten Island and Long Island to reduce natural gas usage through tomorrow afternoon. Here are some simple ways you can reduce your natural gas usage safely:

If your health permits, turn your thermostat down just five degrees at home, and to 60 degrees if you are not at home or, are operating a business.
If possible, avoid using gas fireplaces, clothes dryers and other appliances that use gas, which are not critical to your safety or health.

Along with asking you to co nserve, we’ve requested our commercial customers who participate in our Demand Response program switch to alternative fuels. We’re also utilizing liquefied natural gas units for additional supply. Ensuring safe and reliable service for our customers and the communities we serve is our number one priority and concern. Owners of natural gas pipelines have reported equipment problems caused by the cold weather and the heavy demand for natural gas are challenging their ability to provide adequate amounts of gas throughout the Northeast. The issues that the pipelines are experiencing are outside of our control. We appreciate your support and cooperation to help ensure the reliability of the natural gas system. National Grid

RobertGMarvin

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MDR | 2 years and 7 months ago

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They also sent out notices in the utility bills warning of crazy high costs this winter and so far my bills have been pretty normal.

shahnandersen

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What you all are missing is that at this time most electricity is generated by Natural Gas and the severe cold snap increased the need for gas both for direct heating and for gas to produce electricity for heating. That is why ConEd also sent out emails to Brooklyn residents to lower thermostats and even had Notify NYC call everyone in the five boroughs with the alert. I believe the utilities also required commercial and large residential buildings with dual fuel systems to switch from gas to oil during the cold snap.

justinromeu26 | 2 years and 7 months ago

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No permitz, you said it in your last line. They (executives in the fossil fuel industry) are not going to make the change to sustainables because their job is to sell dino. Investment in new technology (in a competeing industry no less) costs money. the fat old white guys who sit on the corporate boards and own stocks in these companies won’t be around to worry about anything in 10 or 20 years; they want their dividend now.

For many of us, economics will be the factor. As the price rises for fossil fuels because it gets harder to extract, us middling people will move to other sources such as solar. Eventually the petroleum industry will go the way of other outdated models: buggy whip manufacturers, sears, kodak, the dinosaurs.

Legislation itself will not complete this process because the lawmakers are aware that forcing people over to alternatives would present hardship for many. Again, economics will be the driver.

yudashasom | 2 years and 7 months ago

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im not an energy expert by any means but with the amount of buildings ditching gas for electric, its hard to see gas demand increasing. especially when most buildings have already converted to gas from oil – including larger buildings. imo its the electric grid/infrastructure that cant handle increased demand.

the gas industry feels threatened, especially with CLCPA and the push for renewables.

national grid sent that email christmas eve to cause panic, and 48 hours later DEC issues draft permits to the iroquois pipeline expansion.

its all bs in my opinion to keep us reliant on fossil fuels.

Shamrock | 2 years and 7 months ago

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I know all existing buildings over 25,000 (25 families ??) square feet will be affected.

justinromeu26 | 2 years and 7 months ago

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So i hope and pray that all of us who have whatever are grandfathered. They seem to talk about new construction when the write the laws. The rest of us will phase out of oil and gas as it becomes so scarce and expensive that we decide to change over for economic reasons.

Shamrock | 2 years and 7 months ago

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If they get rid of oil in 2030 wouldn’t demand for gas increase. I have a building with electric heat, electric heat can be expensive. Also who is going to pay for all the old rent stabilized buildings in upper Manhattan and the Bronx to be retro fitted for electric heat.
I don’t have a dog in the fight, but the law is passed, come 2030 there’s going to be a shakeup.

yudashasom | 2 years and 7 months ago

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don’t see how the demand for natural gas will increase. new buildings are electric, and even smaller residential 1-2 families are ditching boilers. national grid and the gas industry want to maintain their stronghold by building the infrastructure at the expense of ratepayers.

RobertGMarvin

in General Discussion 2 years and 7 months ago

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So will my neighbors on either side, who heat v with oil, be able to continue getting deliveries? I imagine so.

justinromeu26 | 2 years and 7 months ago

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So in new contruction under 7 stories, it happens in 2024. Over 7 stories 2027.

Shamrock | 2 years and 7 months ago

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No oil heat will be gone by 2030. At the moment I believe gas heat is banned in new buildings over seven stories. I’m not in the business so not familiar with the ins and outs.

RobertGMarvin

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I presume that’s NEW oil heat.

Shamrock | 2 years and 7 months ago

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Oil heat is outlawed in NYC beginning in 2030. I’m not sure if it’s just the large buildings over 25,000 square feet, or all buildings. National Grid is trying to get the pipelines in place to meet this additional demand. Most buildings above 110th Street in Manhattan use oil.

cate | 2 years and 7 months ago

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Eman, I hope you are right! Or would love to put in geothermal but we have hot water radiators.

yudashasom | 2 years and 7 months ago

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almost as dramatic as when they refused to turn on new gas service. its just a ploy to get their pipeline. i dont buy it.

Guest User | 2 years and 7 months ago

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the future for those with hot water heat….
https://www.lg.com/global/business/heating-split-high-temperature

cate | 2 years and 7 months ago

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We got that message too. However, we have just one stove that uses gas and nothing else. I’ve never been happier our boiler uses oil.

justinromeu26 | 2 years and 7 months ago

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I don’t have a fireplace. I was thinking if we run out of gas, colonial might invite us over.

RobertGMarvin

in General Discussion 2 years and 7 months ago

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That’s great for you Steve, but my fireplaces are all gas (and anyway, the gas pipes, which are the same as for the old lights, are cut off.).