front door - double or single

My husband wants a 48-inch double door to replace our current single door; the house originally had a double door. I worry about entering the house on a daily basis through just one small door. Do those of you who have a double door find that a nuisance? I don’t know how hard it is to open both doors.

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justinromeu26 | 1 year and 5 months ago

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More important than a kickplate, be sure that the bottom of the door is always sealed. The very bottom bottom. That is where the moisture gets in and gets wicked up into the wood. That is where the rot begins. They did not seal the bottoms of the old doors when they originally installed them 120 years ago.

In so far as kick plates, in most cases on these old doors, they were added after the rot began to tie it all together.

Guest User | 1 year and 5 months ago

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Thank you, both. We are planning to get an awning. I hadn’t really thought about a kick plate; thanks for the suggestion. We did, after a lot of thought, remove the vestibule door. It was important to use to redo the stairs between first and second floor, to make them less steep; that brought the stairs closer to the front door. I also wanted room for a chair or small bench to sit on while taking shoes on or off. All that was incompatible with a vestibule. Also, we lived for a year in an apartment in a building with vestibule and found dealing with two sets of doors a nuisance. There always are compromises to make!

markwalker | 1 year and 5 months ago

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We have a double door. It is a reproduction of the original door. of my house and 54 inches wide. It is no problem to enter through one door,. There is a wide astragal between them and a gasket around the doors so there is not a noticeable draft. It looks much better than a single door with “filler panels” around it.
We have clear bevel glass in the door.. The door is beautiful. I put voile curtains inside the door. Fabric can help insulate. In historic photos of my block you see roll up window shades, or Venetian blinds.
If you go with a double door, note that old houses have a vestibule between front door and a second , inner door. It is there for a reason , to conserve energy. Do not knock it down or remove the inner door. A vestibule ensures the heat or air conditioning stays where it belongs. I see people remove them all the time but please listen to the wisdom of the past.
If you have strong afternoon sun look into an awning. Awnings are great energy conservers. and help keep water off your door. Get a kick plate, too.

justinromeu26 | 1 year and 5 months ago

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they do. i called them. that is the proper way to make a door..

Guest User | 1 year and 5 months ago

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I am sorry I am so ignorant. So we want stave construction? The word does not appear in the quote I got from Upstate, and a search for it on their web site does not turn up anything. If they don’t use stave construction, does anyone?

justinromeu26 | 1 year and 6 months ago

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if those people at Upstate Doors do good work there is no need to have them offer a warranty. in so far as trustile. I made a call to them a few years ago based on some comments on here. know that at least for their interior doors, they make several grades of doors and only the top grade is stave built construction. this may be true of exterior doors as well so you must check. you want stave.

i am going to take a guess at something here and i am willing to bet i am correct. the person at Upstate told me they put a 1/8″ veneer on their doors. i bet you Trustile does not put a veneer that thick on. in fact, most modern, mass produced doors i see have furniture grade thin veneers on them and that makes it very difficult to refinish later if need be. I will not even entertain working on one.

what you do to a professionally made door over the years will matter more than the warranty.

Guest User | 1 year and 6 months ago

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My husband doesn’t think my plans to get the stiles down to 7 or 8 inches by offsetting the door will look good, and I have made the decision to have equally sized doors. In that case I thought perhaps I should go with Trustile, for the longer warranty and not having to fuss with the glass, but I learned from Trustile that “We don’t have any energy data currently available because we haven’t tested our doors as this time.” And getting the door and transom without glass will void the Trustile warranty! So I think we will be back with Upstate. I am reassured that you approve of the way they make doors. Thanks for all your valuable contributions to this forum.

justinromeu26 | 1 year and 6 months ago

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i have made stiles at 6″ or so. 6.25.

this is what you do. Call Wood Door Stiles LLC in Georgia. pretend you want to order stiles. just stiles. tell them you have a retired door maker in your family and you want him to make a door but he said the proper way is to make it out of staves and he is complaining that he does not want to make the staves because he got rid of his planer and does not want to hand dress them. so you want to know if you can order stiles from them in wider widths and is there anything wrong with doing so. will they split? you will get all sorts of answers out of them because this is ALL they do.

I only know what i do about Upstate Doors from a 5 minute call to them the other day. i know they are making doors the proper way but never asked about what adhesives they are using (i use marine epoxies). they sound like the real deal. also, it is very hard for shops to offer these kind of guarantees because so much depends on what the homeowner does later. with the bigger companies, they have language in their contracts that pr otects them (i have had people call me to ask me to help them challenge warranties with doors from big companies and my answer usually is they don’t have a case) and if they had to bite the bullet and replace a few, it is no real loss. a small shop can have a problem.

from what i heard on the phone with them, they sound competent. they made it sound like they send a lot of landmark doors to manhattan. and maybe the principals to most of the assembly work themselves. their website makes them look big but they might really be small which could be very good for you because they cannot afford to have screw ups. put some more questions to them.

Guest User | 1 year and 6 months ago

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Thanks, Homeinspector. I am finding it very difficult to get information online about recommended widths for stiles. What about 6.75 inches? We could achieve that if we offset the door by 1.25 inches and increased the panel to 13.5 from 13. Then one door would have two 6.75 inch stiles and the other two 5.5 inch stiles.

Also, do you have any information about how good Upstate Doors are, compared, say, to Trustile? The warranty isn’t as good, but they are the only people we have found who will do double doors of different widths, so if we don’t go with them either my husband has to put up with a single door or I have to put up with 25-25 double doors.

justinromeu26 | 1 year and 6 months ago

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be aware that if this is being done as part of a job and the DOB will be looking at things, they may want a label on the glass. a safety label and something that probably states what kind of glass in so far as the r-factor or UV. i always try to avoid these things by asking people to not do the doors as part of the bigger job.

in so far as the 9″ wide stile. i have never made a stile that wide. Upstate Doors does make their doors out of staves and these should be better suited to resist cracking. expansion is something that happens can can be dealt with. but i would still be nervous. i have to tell you the truth, i do this all the time and generally make all of the stiles the same. YES, placing an astragal which may not be centered throws the symmetry off and yes, a wider door stop around the doors will make those stiles look narrrow but no one has ever said anything about anything like this. any old set of doors i have taken apart do not have the stiles being different widths for aesthetic reasons.

FYI, solid 9″ wide oak glued up with the grain opposed (say two pieces of 1″ or 1.125″ 9″ wide oak face glued to make a 2″ or 2.25″ thick stile) would crack as they moved with the humidity.

Guest User | 1 year and 6 months ago

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Our expeditor tells us we can use the Upstate doors if our GC installs the right UV glass. I hope he is right! We are not planning to have a lot of glass in any case. Now the issue is the width of the stiles. To keep the (unequal) doors looking reasonably symmetric, we had planned to have one of the four stiles 9 inches wide; the others 5.5. But apparently that may lead to expansion trouble. I wonder whether two 7.25 inch stiles (and two 5.5) would be better. We want to keep the panels the same width on both doors, for aesthetic reasons.

justinromeu26 | 1 year and 6 months ago

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catbk, i am sorry, i did not mean that to imply anything about people upstate and their abilities. when OP used “Upstate door”, I did not take it to mean the name of a firm (i just checked, it is a firm) and sometimes in this industry when we speak of someone or a firm, we might say “those folks out on long island”. it is not derogatory.

the issue op is having is finding an “energy rated” door. that terminology implies rated to a government standard (in this case a standard NYC or NYS is relying on). it would be very hard for a custom shop to produce such a beast (here in the city or upstate) and go through the hoops and hassles of getting it certified. if they can get them certified, i am sure the cost would be prohibitive.

I did just call Upstate Door. They make a quality product (at their location, no import) using stave construction with finish grade edges and 1/8″ thick facing. they know the energy ratings (r factor) on the glass they use and some of the materials BUT their doors themselves are NOT energy rated to a standard.

catbk | 1 year and 6 months ago

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@homeinspector, I can assure you that anything they can do in Brooklyn or New York City, they can also do upstate.

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Hi. Grew up near Ithaca : ) Anyhow, now i’m in a Brooklyn brownstone which has a single door with a huge glass area. I’d recommend frosted glass – maybe you could etch and frost so you have some decorative area if it’s an older house. As much as I like light, I have to correct for privacy. I use a Venetian blind on the inside that I can close at night, but it’s not ideal. My vote is frosted glass, from life experience 🙂

justinromeu26 | 1 year and 6 months ago

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Ithaca, can the folks upstate make an energy rated door though?

RobertGMarvin

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All the original doors I’ve seen have had clear beveled glass.

Guest User | 1 year and 6 months ago

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Upstate doors says they can make us a double door with one door slightly wider than the other (27.5 inches, 24 inches). African mahogany. It’s expensive – $12,700 for door and transom, including tax and delivery, but only $25 more than a Trustile “Resilient Engineered Wood” door we were quoted. I think I can live with 27.5 inches on a daily basis. Any advice on glass? clear or frosted? wrought iron insets?

justinromeu26 | 1 year and 6 months ago

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i won’t but op can. it is good to know about the Passive House product anyway. FYI: because I work on WOOD doors, i think of that energy star rating as something we see on off the shelf product at Home Depot.

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It’s an international standard. Did you look at this – perhaps more directly relevant https://database.passivehouse.com/en/components/list/group_4