Air to Water Heat Pump with Radiators

We’re thinking of getting mini splits installed to replace our heating system and add cooling, but our first estimate was higher than I expected.
Does anyone have any experience with air to water heat pumps with radiators or an electric boiler? We’d like to get off gas, but I want to make sure we get something long lasting for this investment and I’m worried mini splits aren’t it. I’m wondering if we can just keep using our radiators for heat and get a small cooling solution for upstairs.
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JohnHancock | 2 years and 2 months ago

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Hahaha, trust me….I know, I’m European. Light years!

justinromeu26 | 2 years and 2 months ago

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The people who i know in this country who are using 50 year old oil burners are not driving those cars and the people i know in europe who use everyday appliances are not driving those cars either. The real world for most people is not rolls royce, audi, masseratti. Not sure about their heating equipment but i can say this about their appliances – its not all bosch and miele and no, their everyday stuff does not last as long as our crappy old inefficient iron junk over here.

The last time i was in europe, the house i stayed in had no central heating, two coal fire places for heat, and a back burner for domestic hot water. If we know what a back burner is. I’d say i enjoyed staying in that house with those people a lot more than i would enjoy staying with the guy who drives the masseratti or whatever.

I’d be twisted if i said i had a laugh writing this –

I will agree that something has held us back in this country but i am not certain that the mass of people can or know how to change it. I am not sure any of us understand the problem.

JohnHancock | 2 years and 2 months ago

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Hahahahaha, Rolls Royce, Jaguar, Range or Land Rover, Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Volvo, Porsche, Masserati….same for the European energy equipment. Absolutely nobody has a tank with boiling water in the basement….central heating with radiators that can be controlled separately in each room with…a 2 pipe system was standard everywhere many decades ago, many. You will not find oil tanks and unbalanced steam systems even in 16th century merchant houses in the old part of town. OMG light years ahead.
Had a good laugh here 😉

justinromeu26 | 2 years and 2 months ago

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master plumber: europeans don’t heat with old equipment because all of their stuff breaks after 8 years. you ever own a british car? didn’t think so. there is a reason you never did.

Guest User | 2 years and 2 months ago

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Regarding the electric service… a 150000 btu electric boiler capable of producing 180degree water , which is about the size of a standard gas boiler in a brownstone (electro industries EB-CX-44) has a power draw of 183amps… not too practical. Daikin and Samsung make two stage high temperature heat pump boilers in Europe … Vattenfall is supposed to release a plug and play unit soon

Master Plvmber | 2 years and 2 months ago

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Part of the reason NYC is trying to get off gas is because people in this country keep boilers operating for 40-50 years instead of replacing them with advanced units that use less fuel and operate with greater safety. European codes don’t put up with that.

gururoofing | 2 years and 2 months ago

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Sorry, I meant 200 amps

gururoofing | 2 years and 2 months ago

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Thanks for the advice. We have solar panels and 100 amp service, so didn’t know if that changed anything.
If it were you, would you hold out for the European air to water heat pumps? Our boiler is in fine working order, it’s just 40-50 years old I think.

Guest User | 2 years and 2 months ago

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Forget the electric boiler option… you would need an upgrade to your electric service to power an equivalent to your gas fired boiler and it would be cost prohibitive to run…

Guest User | 2 years and 2 months ago

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Current air to water heat pumps available in the US are not capable of high enough temperatures to support traditional hot water radiator heating. There are a few Canadian companies that make units that might work, but are fairly pricey. The hope is that the units available in Europe and being developed in Scandinavia will become available here in the next few years