Advice for Ventilating and Drying Cellar

I recommend a ceiling mounted dehumidifier, preferably one that can have a drain line empty right into a slop sink or other drain.

HRV is not necessary is nice, especially if your basement air mixes with your house air. It won’t act like a humidifier per se, but the air is tempered.

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cate | 3 years and 11 months ago

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Our cellar is quite musty and humid much of the time. it’s ventilated by open windows under the two closed and locked hatches in front and back (adequate for the boiler but it’s not much). We have three questions. 1. How do we get more fresh air into the cellar, such as via a purpose built vent or two, where would they go, what would such vents be, who would do this work? 2. What is the most simple dehumidifier option and what is involved? (We have no drain in the cellar floor, though we could potentially tap into the existing sewer line that runs above the cellar floor.) 3. We have what seems to be a new and increasing leak coming from the front of the house into the cellar from the floor, seemingly when it rains. I am slightly mystified because our front yard is paved (correctly) although we did put in a parch of garden close to the sidewalk about two years ago. Does anyone have any ideas? Thank you.

andriywww1990 | 3 years and 11 months ago

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so cate, if you have been living like this for a long time, anything might be an improvement. what i mean by that is, if you buy an old fashioned dehumidifier and run the hell out of it and empty it by hand into a bucket for say a week (you might empty it twice a day during that period) and then run it for 24 hours say every other week, you might see a big improvement. i have been down this road many times and once you dry it, you maintain.

i have seen this: a customer dug a hole in the floor and set a bucket in the ground with a very small sump pump in it. the dehumidifier sat over the bucket and drained into it and the pump pumped the water out through a small hose. this will not be so much water that you have to tap into the sewer. at first it might be a lot, but not all the time.

the fan part, i am not sure. you will need a vent someplace. are there any unused but clear flues down there you can put a fan in, even a 6″ fan. they make 6″ in line fans for ducts and we use one here. it might not move enough air that you want to live down there but m ight move enough that if you run it once a week for a day, that along with the dehumidifier (you could even set these on a time clock), it will be comfortable to go down there.

andriywww1990 | 3 years and 11 months ago

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and cate, once you dehumidify that space, you may not feel the need for the fan. once the air is dry, the mustiness will fall out of it – the dry air will not support it or hold it (this is my imagination working, all i know is when you dry the air it no longer smells musty).

but you have the boiler. that pulls something in. so maybe just the dehumidifier? i would try just that first and see where that gets you. i am not saying you will be setting up a ping pong table and having tournaments down there but you also wont feel like the joists will rot out from under you.

Guest User | 3 years and 11 months ago

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Vents are usually done by hvac people. They can go out the front or the back of the building. With regards to drains, you can install a sump and pump that water through a pipe that connects to your sewer pipe. The leak in the front and any moisture must be handled by someone who knows that they are doing; a waterproofing expert of some kind. I would not trust anyone with this. Always worth talking to a few people then deciding on how you want to proceed.

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cate | 3 years and 11 months ago

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Thank you so much all, this is very helpful. I am starting to think the leak may be the new garden. Steve, the options you describe sound pretty good — running every other week doesn’t sound so bad (or so pricey with the electrical bill). Please excuse my ignorance, but what is an old fashioned dehumidifier? (We have a tendency to buy equipment and then not use it because we can’t figure out how.)

shahnandersen

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I strongly recommend getting a 70 pint (now reclassified by the DOE as 50 pint) dehumidifier with a Pump that will automatically empty the condensate with no effort on your part. Pump will lift water up to 12 feet so you should be able to find a place to drain it. Saw a good one that is Energy Star rated on Woot today for $209 (+$5 if you are not an Amazon Prime member). It sells for $269 everywhere else. https://www.woot.com/offers/tosot-4500-sq-ft-dehumidifier-w-pump?ref=w_cnt_wp_0_3 .A dehumidifier makes all the difference in the world. And the pump saves you from daily emptying of the bucket.

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Thank you bobjbkln!

cate | 3 years and 11 months ago

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If we do install a dehumidifier with a pump, we will potentially need to put it on a raised concrete footing, put it on its own electrical circuit, and tie it into the plumbing system. Do basement waterproofing or HVAC companies or plumbers sometimes handle the whole thing for homeowners or do we need to arrange all the trades separately? Thank you.

Guest User | 3 years and 11 months ago

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in my experience hard to find one person for venting and pump but you may have luck with a company that does hvac and plumbing. If it’s only a pump, plumber should be able to handle and they may have an electrician they work with.

Waterproofing is typically separate. Regarding water issues in front, Water is going to get pulled down by gravity so sloping the front yard away from the building is important. In my experience most GCs are not good at waterproofing and mine didn’t want to do it.

You can waterproof from outside, dig down a few feet in the front and waterproof the front. Should only take a couple of days. You want to do it when there is clear weather and then wait for rain to see if it’s working. If front wall is brick, you can also try to open up the wall and try to do it inside.

I understand dehumidification is a good idea if it’s mild. Might be worth to to make sure the water issues can be fixed at source or if it’s fairly mild, then continue down the path of
getting a dehumidifier. With climate change, the weather patterns are only going to get more aberrant. Rain and snow will be much heavier.

shahnandersen

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Not sure why you would need a concrete footing for the dehumidifier. They weigh less than 50 lbs and the pump will raise the water output 12 feet. In our cellar, we have a washer/dryer on its own circuit which we also use for dehumidifier which we turn off when we do the wash to avoid the potential overload. (Note that the item I mentioned has sold out but lots of similar models available for $250-300).

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Our cellar sometimes floods, so prob best not to put the dehumidifier directly on the floor? We prob will need to waterproof the front first; pavement is already sloping correctly; perhaps the garden can be dug up and part of it lined or something. We just put in bluestone paving at great cost so digging that up would not be optimal. The wall is not leaking, though I highly doubt it’s waterproof. The water is coming up through the ground.

shahnandersen

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We had lots of floods, but those came from backups and construction next door. The water did come in from floor rather than through the party wall. Fortunately, that is over now. The floods never damaged our dehumidifier. In any case, you can just put it on a couple of concrete blocks. No need to pour a permanent fitting,
We now have a few wet spots on our cellar floor but no standing water, which I attribute to a rising water table. But the dehumidifier prevents the air from being musty (nor my tools from rusting).

Guest User | 3 years and 11 months ago

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Cate, you may be able to waterproof inside if the bluestone is an issue outside. It’s not the best solution but you avoid digging up the bluestone.

shahnandersen

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If the water is coming from underneath the cellar floor there is no way to waterproof it from the inside, unfortunately. Not sure that waterproofing the foundation wall would help either. You need real on-site help from someone who knows what they are doing (waterproofing contractor?, Engineer?) Good luck.

Guest User | 3 years and 11 months ago

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She said it was coming from the front yard not floor. Unless I misread. Either way though agree, should talk to waterproofing expert. They are going to be able to see the real thing and assess better than us.

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Oh yes she mentions the floor too. Sorry about that.
The front wall is the area I was referring to when I said waterproof from inside. However this would only help with the water coming in from the front.

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This is incredibly helpful all. Thank you so much!

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I’ve had several waterproofing contractors and engineers refer to the hydrostatic pressure in general and particularly in BK. The soil is so dense here that excess rainwater is forced up to the surface, even seeping through concrete slabs. That’s where perimeter drains come in. They present a managed point of least resistance for the water. We also run a couple dehumidifiers in our half-in-ground level. They run a lot. Not once a week. One is emptied manually. The other drains via gravity into the W/D drain.

workisfun | 3 years and 11 months ago

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Have you considered a sump and pump? That could solve your flooding if the pitch in the floor is good.