repainting brownstone facade

Hey, I have a brownstone in a non landmarked district that has since been painted white. I think the original stone is to damaged to remove the paint, so I was going to repaint it with a brownstone colored paint. I cant seem to figure out what paint to use and the exact color to use that most similarly represents a brownstone. I have seen a lot of painted brownstones that I have to take a second look to see if it was painting or its the original stone. any help with this would be great.

Thank you

tashia43

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RobertGMarvin

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You do NOT need permission to repaint in the color that was there when the house , or HD was designated

Guest User | 3 years and 11 months ago

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If you ask permission for repainting the existing color – which is something that currently doesn’t need a permit – they may say no. Their preference will always be restoration, OP should call LPC and see if they will accept brown since it’s already ‘painted’.

RobertGMarvin

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Only if you get away with it the first time: 🙂

hkapstein | 3 years and 11 months ago

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So If you illegally paint it, you can continue to paint it that color? Good luck selling that interpretation.

Guest User | 3 years and 11 months ago

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Agree with you Bob. Most are B/W.. Though you may find a news or real estate photo that may be more recent.

I’ve read the LPC guidebook on this subject: one does not need a permit to to repaint in the existing color. If you try to change the color or if you try to ask for permission, LPC would obviously prefer a restoration vs. painting. Also asking for permission may open up a can of worms.

Understanding that not everyone can afford to restore so you need to do what’s best for you. If you do end up repainting use masonry paint, call Cathedral https://www.cathedralstone.com

Remember LPC and DOB are different. If you don’t need an LPC permit then DOB is not going to request to see one. However more likely than not, this job will require scaffolding which requires a DOB permit. This is a separate requirement than the LPC permit. The LPC doesn’t care about your scaffolding permit.

And call LPC, just because you ask them a question, they aren’t going to follow up . Wishing you luck

RobertGMarvin

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I’m pretty sure the LPC’s photos of our neighborhood for its 1979 HD designation are all black and white. Maybe more recent recent ones are in colors. I imagine that if LPC is relying on monochrome photographs you could possibly get away with any color that translates into a similar gray scale tone as their photographs. Unfortunately I think pink would be a light gray and brown a dark tone.

hkapstein | 3 years and 11 months ago

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Well here’s an idea. Check the 1984 tax photo and the landmarks report. Maybe it was a more attractive color at designation, and you should technically be allowed to paint it that color. But it will be a bit of a lift. LPC doesn’t like painted masonry, and that’s probably a good thing.

Guest User | 3 years and 11 months ago

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I agree though I didn’t say it wasn’t entirely without risk.

Scaffolding can be filed for repairs I assume. Above 40ft requires the scaffolding permit and ladders over 40ft are not legal to use in the City. How tall is the building?

Let’s say someone calls DOB, that doesn’t translate to LPC being informed. DOB is usually will fine as long as you follow their rules ie file and get the scaffolding permit if required. If someone calls LPC, you point to their Guidebook.

If you want to be really safe call LPC and say “Hey this is what the Guidebook says about painting, is that correct?” See what they say.

hkapstein | 3 years and 11 months ago

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But how do you do it? Do you need a scaffolding that requires a permit, that then could trigger an LPC permit requirement? Do you send the guys up on ladders and hope no one calls it in? Do you hang out the windows? Do you rappell down with a climbing harness? It can be accomplished under the radar if no one calls DOB, but it may not be entirely without risk.

Guest User | 3 years and 11 months ago

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If you don’t need a permit can’t you just go ahead and paint. Who is going to know and if anyone does complain, I think you have a good case to ask for forgiveness.

hkapstein | 4 years ago

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Right, but the brownstone job is going to be expensive, so painting it pink might actually be an option that gets considered.

RobertGMarvin

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ONLY if the OP wanted to repaint it pink, but they made it clear that they did not.

hkapstein | 4 years ago

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You’d technically have to prove it was pink on the landmarks designation date, which might not be easy to do.

Guest User | 4 years ago

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I wasn’t going to say anything Bob Marvin! In my mind it didn’t need to be said 🙂

RobertGMarvin

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BUT that color is Pepto Bismol pink!

Guest User | 4 years ago

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As far as I know no permit is needed if it’s painted already as long as you match the color.

LPC Guidebook
When Is an LPC Permit Not Required?
Repainting a building’s exterior or architectural feature a color that matches the existing color.

JohnHancock | 4 years ago

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Anyone remember the Pepto Bismol pink house in Park Slope? Loved that house!

tashia43 | 8 years and 8 months ago

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Half of the brownstones n crown heights and bed study have been painted and a good bunch of this look great, some you have to give a second look to see if it’s he original sandstone or has been repainted. But I read on another forum here that stripping paint is not a great idea, as usually it’s a sign that the facade (original sandstone) is really damaged

tashia43 | 8 years and 8 months ago

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Half of the brownstones n crown heights and bed study have been painted and a good bunch of this look great, some you have to give a second look to see if it’s he original sandstone or has been repainted. But I read on another forum here that stripping paint is not a great idea, as usually it’s a sign that the facade (original sandstone) is really damaged