A few days ago the ceiling in the living room of my apartment collapsed. I live with roommates and we all rent month-to-month. The roommate who has been here longest collects our rent checks and writes a single check himself to the landlady, who lives in the building and is 83 years old.

The collapse was during some especially rainy days, and my room, off the living room, was the most directly affected. When I say collapsed, I don’t mean a little bit of plaster. I mean huge chunks of stucco that shook the wooden floors when they fell. Left a hole of about four feet. Could have very seriously injured someone, and I am not exaggerating on this point. I was home alone. I collected my landlady and my roommates within the hour, and then we were all there to witness how a second huge chunk came crashing down. This was about 6 pm, and the landlady called the maintenance guy she uses for the building. At about 9 pm he arrived to say that he could do nothing that night and that whoever was living in the room off the living room (that would be me) should sleep elsewhere. The landlady refused to put me up in a hotel and since I had nowhere else to go, I camped out in my own room, stepping over the rubble.

There had been water marks in the living room stucco ceiling even before I moved in (about 3 months prior). Within a couple of days of this collapse, my roommates reported that two other rooms in the apartment were experiencing leaks. The landlord apparently knew that these leaks existed (a couple of us are quite new to the apartment) and had done nothing about them. I have heard tell that there had been some issues with the roof when the previous tenants were here, but it seems that the modus operandi of this landlord is to do as little as possible in such circumstances. All indications would suggest that the living room ceiling collapsing is also due to the obviously badly leaky roof. My landlady wants to claim absurdities like: the ceiling collapsed because someone had drilled a hole to install a light fixture (this can’t possibly be the reason, as the light fixture had been installed for many months before the collapse). She has denied the wooden beams underneath the stucco being wet so forcefully and repeatedly, even before anyone suggested this, that it has to make you wonder.

They’ve since slapped on some sheet rock to cover the moldy, wet beams. I don’t care to think about what’s really under there or how long it will be before we see more rot or collapse. As background: this building is filthy and decrepit in every way. The bathroom tiles are falling out, exposing swatches of years-old moldy gunk underneath. No one had taken a vacuum cleaner to the stairwell in years, until I very recently and very loudly complained about it. There is simply NO maintenance of this building, period. In addition, my landlady’s dealings with me are clearly in bad faith. She has often, and absurdly, denied problems which I can plainly see with my own eyes. “I don’t see a water stain there” she answers when it is pointed out to her. Come on!

Clearly I need to move out and quickly. Clearly, I have little faith that issues can be negotiated as though among reasonable adults. My question is: do I actually have to have had a piece of stucco fall on my head in order for the danger to my health and safety to be eminently clear? I feel that some serious abuse is going on here and would like for the landlord, at minimum, to acknowledge the ordeal of the past days by paying my moving expenses to a new place. An inspector came by to see the premises at the stage in the disaster when workers had already scraped off the entire stucco ceiling and left the naked beams above. The landlord was issued a class B violation , and now, as a result, the workers slapped on this layer of sheet rock. Ostensibly, this is supposed to fix the problem and get the inspector to go away.

What I’d like is for the landlord to pay the broker’s fee for my finding a new apartment and the cost of hiring a truck to move my things, so about $3000. Does anyone have any advice for how to achieve this? I’m a pragmatist and would just like to find a way of negotiating my exit out of this nightmare. Clearly the landlord and her family have no intention of paying anything unless they feel some greater financial threat. Advice?


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  1. One other thing – you should be aware that if you end up in Housing Court and a future LL runs a LL-tenant court check, it will come up and that may negatively affect your chances of getting an apartment as easily if you just leave.

    Why aren’t the three of you combining forces against this wack-job?

  2. Glass, while I am sympathetic to bxgrl’s comments about posts being an invitation to insult, it seems to me that most of them (rude or sympathetic) have said the same thing – move out and move on. Most of us have had “magical thinking” moments when we thought a lousy living situation (“As background: this building is filthy and decrepit in every way. The bathroom tiles are falling out, exposing swatches of years-old moldy gunk underneath. No one had taken a vacuum cleaner to the stairwell in years, until I very recently and very loudly complained about it. There is simply NO maintenance of this building, period”)could get better – 99% of the time, it just doesn’t happen.
    It pains me to say it, but I think BOD summed it up pretty well.
    And the withholding rent issue is one you will need to clear with the primary tenant – or, at least, get the other tenants on board (which you haven’t mentioned)

  3. If you are on a M2M lease, I would photograph everything – if you have not already and stop communicating with the crackpot and her bitchy daughter face-to-face. Send everything in writing with proof of delivery. You have no right to just stop paying rent – that money HAS to go into an escrow account otherwise you will come across as a scam artist should you end up in court.

    BTW – I sued a former landlord for failing to return our deposit and for the inconvenience of having to go to court I also asked for moving costs and they gave it to me though I went to small claims court instead of housing court. It was a brand new building, the hubs and I were in our mid-20s so we didn’t know what we know now. The LL conveniently forgot to tell us before signing the least that there was no CofO for the building and no gas – which we had to put up with for seven months. We left the place in better shape than we received it in so I decided to be a bitch and ask for the maximum judgement which at the time was $3000 and I got it. There seems to be a lot of sympathy in the court system for renters who end up with a slumlord like I did and you have. Moving ain’t cheap and if you have roommates, you probably don’t have a ton of extra money lying around to pay that expense again – I know we didn’t which is why we stayed in the place mentioned above for a year.

  4. I agree, cmu. But without finding the cause of the leak in the roof first, its a losing battle.

    By the way, BOD- sublets have to be approved by the landlord. Being a subtenant does not make the primary tenant a landlord and does not make him responsible for the condition of the building. That responsibility strctly falls on the owner.

    And if you read leases- although the OP does not have one- there are situations where a landlord would be responsible for putting up a tenant in a hotel or other place until repairs get done. The assumption this guy is just greedy or looking to make a buck is an assumption on your part. Considering the landlord lack of care, why shouldn’t he expect to get compensation for moving out? It’s expensive and the landlord is the one being irresponsible.

    That said, I think OP’s only recourse would be to withhold rent and set it aside for move out expenses. I doubt the OP is rich either.

  5. >cmu- if they slapped up th sheetrock without drying out the beams/joists and not repairing the roof, it’s kinds of a waste of time and money

    perhaps. he did not state that. also beams do dry out by themselves, IF the leak is fixed. For instance, I am doing nothing to ‘dry out’ the ceiling in the room where the roof tore off…as there is no more leak (hopefully) it will dry naturally and not cause mold or whatever.

  6. “I’ve rarely heard of landlords being told to suck it up and “learn the hard way” when something doesn’t go right for them. ”

    You obviously do not read the forum with any regularity as there are TONS of LL’s posting inquiries here about what to do with deadbeat / destructive tenants.

    “I didn’t have any reason to believe that my personal safety was at risk in moving here”

    But apparently you do now since you asked LL to put you up in a hotel. Do not expect anyone to take care of you except for yourself – at least not in the timeframe you are suggesting!

    “the basic premise of being a tenant is that you can expect a clean and safe living environment then I have not received that in exchange for my rent” Yes! you are entitled this, however you should be going after the prime tenant – you know, the sweet one who avoids confrontation? You pay HIM not the landlord.

    I apologize for coming off as condecending..but you are not thinking realistically nor practically. You need to take care of yourself first and expect zero hand outs. You walked into a less than ideal situation and got screwed. The easiest and quickest way to take control of the situation is for you to pick up and move yourself out. Then it becomes someone elses problem and not yours. As I said, you should have no problem finding a no-fee apartment.

  7. This situation is not fair, but any kind of fair resolution is very unlikely. You will need to pay your own moving costs, and broker fees if you choose to use a broker. It is very unlikely your landlord will pay these costs, as your description of the situation makes clear. Move out.

  8. glass…you say you want to negotiate your way out…

    Did you put up a security deposit? That’s at risk if you start “negotiating.”

    Your alternatives are 1. to sue or 2. to stay a few months and not pay rent and hope they don’t go after YOU in court. If you take the latter steps, make sure you’ve documented all of this with pictures.

    Problem is that you don’t have a real lease, only a month-to-month which lessens your bargaining power.

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