Ceiling Collapsed, What Are Our Rights?
A few days ago the ceiling in the living room of my apartment collapsed. I live with roommates and we all rent month-to-month. The roommate who has been here longest collects our rent checks and writes a single check himself to the landlady, who lives in the building and is 83 years old. The collapse…
A few days ago the ceiling in the living room of my apartment collapsed. I live with roommates and we all rent month-to-month. The roommate who has been here longest collects our rent checks and writes a single check himself to the landlady, who lives in the building and is 83 years old.
The collapse was during some especially rainy days, and my room, off the living room, was the most directly affected. When I say collapsed, I don’t mean a little bit of plaster. I mean huge chunks of stucco that shook the wooden floors when they fell. Left a hole of about four feet. Could have very seriously injured someone, and I am not exaggerating on this point. I was home alone. I collected my landlady and my roommates within the hour, and then we were all there to witness how a second huge chunk came crashing down. This was about 6 pm, and the landlady called the maintenance guy she uses for the building. At about 9 pm he arrived to say that he could do nothing that night and that whoever was living in the room off the living room (that would be me) should sleep elsewhere. The landlady refused to put me up in a hotel and since I had nowhere else to go, I camped out in my own room, stepping over the rubble.
There had been water marks in the living room stucco ceiling even before I moved in (about 3 months prior). Within a couple of days of this collapse, my roommates reported that two other rooms in the apartment were experiencing leaks. The landlord apparently knew that these leaks existed (a couple of us are quite new to the apartment) and had done nothing about them. I have heard tell that there had been some issues with the roof when the previous tenants were here, but it seems that the modus operandi of this landlord is to do as little as possible in such circumstances. All indications would suggest that the living room ceiling collapsing is also due to the obviously badly leaky roof. My landlady wants to claim absurdities like: the ceiling collapsed because someone had drilled a hole to install a light fixture (this can’t possibly be the reason, as the light fixture had been installed for many months before the collapse). She has denied the wooden beams underneath the stucco being wet so forcefully and repeatedly, even before anyone suggested this, that it has to make you wonder.
They’ve since slapped on some sheet rock to cover the moldy, wet beams. I don’t care to think about what’s really under there or how long it will be before we see more rot or collapse. As background: this building is filthy and decrepit in every way. The bathroom tiles are falling out, exposing swatches of years-old moldy gunk underneath. No one had taken a vacuum cleaner to the stairwell in years, until I very recently and very loudly complained about it. There is simply NO maintenance of this building, period. In addition, my landlady’s dealings with me are clearly in bad faith. She has often, and absurdly, denied problems which I can plainly see with my own eyes. “I don’t see a water stain there†she answers when it is pointed out to her. Come on!
Clearly I need to move out and quickly. Clearly, I have little faith that issues can be negotiated as though among reasonable adults. My question is: do I actually have to have had a piece of stucco fall on my head in order for the danger to my health and safety to be eminently clear? I feel that some serious abuse is going on here and would like for the landlord, at minimum, to acknowledge the ordeal of the past days by paying my moving expenses to a new place. An inspector came by to see the premises at the stage in the disaster when workers had already scraped off the entire stucco ceiling and left the naked beams above. The landlord was issued a class B violation , and now, as a result, the workers slapped on this layer of sheet rock. Ostensibly, this is supposed to fix the problem and get the inspector to go away.
What I’d like is for the landlord to pay the broker’s fee for my finding a new apartment and the cost of hiring a truck to move my things, so about $3000. Does anyone have any advice for how to achieve this? I’m a pragmatist and would just like to find a way of negotiating my exit out of this nightmare. Clearly the landlord and her family have no intention of paying anything unless they feel some greater financial threat. Advice?
Wah….
Move.
Warranty of Habitability ensures that everyone is provided with a clean and safe living environment. The landlady is NOT helpless, her daughter works in real estate and is quite involved in what goes on in the building. In fact, she was around all weekend and took the time to yell at me, apparently falling stucco is somehow my fault. My roommate who does the payments to her is a sweet person who just hates confrontations of any kind. There’s no deception going on on his side. I moved into the building on good faith, believing like everyone else, that we could work with the landlady to eventually take care of some of the more major apartment issues, and kind of put up with the rest of the problems and chalk them up to a “charming” old place. I’m starting to feel that this is building is a racket. The elderly landlady is neither scared nor has bad finances, they are raking in substantial rent each month and get away with doing nothing. The make about $3000 a month on our apartment alone. The events of the past days have been harrowing and the reaction of the landlady and her family have been nothing but belligerence and creepy denials. As I said, I just want to negotiate my way out of this nightmare, but I don’t think that after these sleepless nights and lost work days I should be the one coming up with the costs of my unexpected move.
“As others have said, by paying rent you accepted many of the conditions. Not a collapsed ceiling, but basic building maintainance, etc.”
Hate to disagree with you, MM but that’s not true. By renting the space, the landlord is held to the warrant of habitability. Doesn’t matter if the renter saw the conditions or not- the law is the law.
Never assume a subleasee has no rights- look how squatters move in, and watch how hard it is for a landlord to get rid of them. When it comes to living quarters, people have rights- doesn’t make it fair, but its the reality.
I don’t have much sympathy for the landlord- if you are making money from an apartment, you have responsibility to the tenant.But I am curious about the roommate who collects the money and pays the landlady. There is no way an apartment in that condition warrants that kind of rent money. It’s possible he is making money off the roommates as well.
In any case, doesn’t sound like this place is worth the aggravation- move asap.
Sounds like no-one here has a lease: “I live with roommates and we all rent month-to-month.” I wonder where this place is? Seriously, the poster knew the place was gross when he moved in, and, while the roof may indeed be leaking, I’m sure drilling a hole in the ceiling to install some sort of light fixture didn’t help (apparently this was not a professional job). I feel bad for the old lady trying to hold her house together while renting out her top floor to a revolving cast of characters – both sides are at fault in this story.
get out of there as quickly as possible… and make sure you’re dealing with a good landlord the next time. The quality of the building and it’s maintenance is often a good clue as to how you’ll end up,
also look up the dob’s housing search and search violations. read them carefully to make sure they’re not for silly things.
if you’re using a broker try to pick someone that seems to be looking out for your welfare.
Finally, this sounds terrible but you may need to up your budget or move to a less expensive area. There are amazing landlords in Crown Heights that are asking for the same rents as ‘deals’ in prospect heights. Except the deals are not deals, but your currents situation happening again.
best of luck, and don’t take an 83 year old lady to housing court!! your karma will be shot for decades.
she’s probably on death’s doorstep anyway. wait for her to die and then steal her house. pretend your her grandson or something.
*rob*
I love Heather.
Yes, Heather does make a good point.
Good point, Heather.