A few days ago the ceiling in the living room of my apartment collapsed. I live with roommates and we all rent month-to-month. The roommate who has been here longest collects our rent checks and writes a single check himself to the landlady, who lives in the building and is 83 years old.

The collapse was during some especially rainy days, and my room, off the living room, was the most directly affected. When I say collapsed, I don’t mean a little bit of plaster. I mean huge chunks of stucco that shook the wooden floors when they fell. Left a hole of about four feet. Could have very seriously injured someone, and I am not exaggerating on this point. I was home alone. I collected my landlady and my roommates within the hour, and then we were all there to witness how a second huge chunk came crashing down. This was about 6 pm, and the landlady called the maintenance guy she uses for the building. At about 9 pm he arrived to say that he could do nothing that night and that whoever was living in the room off the living room (that would be me) should sleep elsewhere. The landlady refused to put me up in a hotel and since I had nowhere else to go, I camped out in my own room, stepping over the rubble.

There had been water marks in the living room stucco ceiling even before I moved in (about 3 months prior). Within a couple of days of this collapse, my roommates reported that two other rooms in the apartment were experiencing leaks. The landlord apparently knew that these leaks existed (a couple of us are quite new to the apartment) and had done nothing about them. I have heard tell that there had been some issues with the roof when the previous tenants were here, but it seems that the modus operandi of this landlord is to do as little as possible in such circumstances. All indications would suggest that the living room ceiling collapsing is also due to the obviously badly leaky roof. My landlady wants to claim absurdities like: the ceiling collapsed because someone had drilled a hole to install a light fixture (this can’t possibly be the reason, as the light fixture had been installed for many months before the collapse). She has denied the wooden beams underneath the stucco being wet so forcefully and repeatedly, even before anyone suggested this, that it has to make you wonder.

They’ve since slapped on some sheet rock to cover the moldy, wet beams. I don’t care to think about what’s really under there or how long it will be before we see more rot or collapse. As background: this building is filthy and decrepit in every way. The bathroom tiles are falling out, exposing swatches of years-old moldy gunk underneath. No one had taken a vacuum cleaner to the stairwell in years, until I very recently and very loudly complained about it. There is simply NO maintenance of this building, period. In addition, my landlady’s dealings with me are clearly in bad faith. She has often, and absurdly, denied problems which I can plainly see with my own eyes. “I don’t see a water stain there” she answers when it is pointed out to her. Come on!

Clearly I need to move out and quickly. Clearly, I have little faith that issues can be negotiated as though among reasonable adults. My question is: do I actually have to have had a piece of stucco fall on my head in order for the danger to my health and safety to be eminently clear? I feel that some serious abuse is going on here and would like for the landlord, at minimum, to acknowledge the ordeal of the past days by paying my moving expenses to a new place. An inspector came by to see the premises at the stage in the disaster when workers had already scraped off the entire stucco ceiling and left the naked beams above. The landlord was issued a class B violation , and now, as a result, the workers slapped on this layer of sheet rock. Ostensibly, this is supposed to fix the problem and get the inspector to go away.

What I’d like is for the landlord to pay the broker’s fee for my finding a new apartment and the cost of hiring a truck to move my things, so about $3000. Does anyone have any advice for how to achieve this? I’m a pragmatist and would just like to find a way of negotiating my exit out of this nightmare. Clearly the landlord and her family have no intention of paying anything unless they feel some greater financial threat. Advice?


Comments

  1. If you really want legal advice, talk to a lawyer. As a non-lawyer with some experience in this area, I am not sure you have any standing as your name isn’t on the lease. The warranty of habitability applies to the tenants who have legal standing to be there. My advice to you is not to waste your time trying to get any money from the landlady. You may try your luck in housing court or small claims court, but in the meantime, it sounds like you need a new place to live. The landlord has absolutely no obligation to pay for moving or broker’s fees; her only obligation is to the legal tenants of the space.

    As to the building getting condemned, the Department of Buildings may issue a vacate order if there are structural issues that make the building unsafe. Then everyone is SOL and needs to find a new place, including the landlady.

  2. Thank you to everyone for their comments, even the testy ones. I would really like to hear from people who have had actual experiences, either in housing court, or in dealing with a landlord after a similar disaster. Only by getting a clear sense of how the law works in practice and what others have experienced can I figure out how to best to proceed with my particular situation. Which is why I’m posting here. Does anyone know how and in what circumstances a building is condemned? My roommates are actually fearful that this might happen, but I don’t know what the process is like.

  3. You’re not coming across as sympathetic, Glass. That might be your problem with the getting of advice here. I remember the days myself of being young and outraged at my landlords. There was the time we asked our landlady to fix the plaster that was crumbling on our wall and she showed up with… a bag of plaster. When I asked her what we were supposed to do with that, she said, “I thought you were handy!” And so, we decided not to renew our lease. There was the time my toddler locked herself in our apartment and the super refused to come open the door for me. (At 3PM on a thursday when he lived 3 blocks away.) The landlord refused to fix the lock that me and the police broke (it was a $10 lock and it was in our lease that we weren’t supposed to replace locks ourselves.) Then there was the time we had a rat in our toilet and I called the landlord and he laughed at me…. ah, the memories.

    But here’s the thing: nothing bad really has happened to YOU. None of your stuff was ruined when the ceiling fell in.

    So, basically, you want the landlord to give you money because the stairs are dirty, the building is old, and you don’t like the repair job. Those aren’t actual reasons.

    So you had to walk over some rubble to get to your room? Awwww… I hope it wasn’t too high for your widdle wegs? Did I mention there was once a rat in my toilet? Thankfully, the dogs killed it. Perhaps you should get a dog.

    I am impressed by your chutzpah, but I’d recommend you start looking for another place to live and make sure that the primary tenant gives you your deposit back. When the ceiling falls in and none of your stuff gets damaged you don’t automatically get $3,000 — not even if you’ve had to endure dirty stairs and tile falling off the bathroom. So sorry.

  4. grow up …if you really think that your delusions are founded in fact, move out, and sue your landlord for documented expenses, but be ready to be laughed out of court

  5. Did any of you geniuses stop to think there might actually be something called LAWS that address this situation? As alluded to, there is a warranty of habitability – this includes the right to enjoy your premises free of a ceiling falling down on you. You can abate rent in line with the PORTION of the premises that is considered to be inhabitable. So by law you could stay and be due a rent reduction based on the amount of unusable space or GET OUT. My advice – you have no lease, so move on, because even though you are legally entitled to the partial rent abatement, have fun getting it.

  6. P.S. It could take three weeks for a newly installed light fixture to fall — or three years. Or thirty years.

    P.P.S. I am a building owner with experience with plaster, leaks, fixtures, and middle-aged failing eyesight.

  7. OP, based on what you have said in your posting, it’s possible your landlady may be correct that the ceiling collapsed due to a light fixture, not a leak, and that drywall is the appropriate remedy.

    A water stain may or may not indicate a current, active leak. A serious leak will have water dripping from it, or the plaster will be wet to the touch. Is that the case?

    A ceiling certainly could collapse from a light fixture being installed. If the installers dislodged the plaster “keys” holding up the ceiling, it could fall down. This usually occurs when someone walks on the beams above the ceiling and breaks the plaster pushing up from the lathe beneath — in the attic, usually. But it’s possible inept drilling could have the same effect, especially if the light weren’t attached to anything except the plaster.

    So you might be overreacting. Or not, depending on the cause of the problem. What was the Class B violation for? The collapsed ceiling? Or a leak?

    Also, please keep in mind that the vision of an 83-year-old is not as good, and she may really not see any water stains.

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