A few days ago the ceiling in the living room of my apartment collapsed. I live with roommates and we all rent month-to-month. The roommate who has been here longest collects our rent checks and writes a single check himself to the landlady, who lives in the building and is 83 years old.

The collapse was during some especially rainy days, and my room, off the living room, was the most directly affected. When I say collapsed, I don’t mean a little bit of plaster. I mean huge chunks of stucco that shook the wooden floors when they fell. Left a hole of about four feet. Could have very seriously injured someone, and I am not exaggerating on this point. I was home alone. I collected my landlady and my roommates within the hour, and then we were all there to witness how a second huge chunk came crashing down. This was about 6 pm, and the landlady called the maintenance guy she uses for the building. At about 9 pm he arrived to say that he could do nothing that night and that whoever was living in the room off the living room (that would be me) should sleep elsewhere. The landlady refused to put me up in a hotel and since I had nowhere else to go, I camped out in my own room, stepping over the rubble.

There had been water marks in the living room stucco ceiling even before I moved in (about 3 months prior). Within a couple of days of this collapse, my roommates reported that two other rooms in the apartment were experiencing leaks. The landlord apparently knew that these leaks existed (a couple of us are quite new to the apartment) and had done nothing about them. I have heard tell that there had been some issues with the roof when the previous tenants were here, but it seems that the modus operandi of this landlord is to do as little as possible in such circumstances. All indications would suggest that the living room ceiling collapsing is also due to the obviously badly leaky roof. My landlady wants to claim absurdities like: the ceiling collapsed because someone had drilled a hole to install a light fixture (this can’t possibly be the reason, as the light fixture had been installed for many months before the collapse). She has denied the wooden beams underneath the stucco being wet so forcefully and repeatedly, even before anyone suggested this, that it has to make you wonder.

They’ve since slapped on some sheet rock to cover the moldy, wet beams. I don’t care to think about what’s really under there or how long it will be before we see more rot or collapse. As background: this building is filthy and decrepit in every way. The bathroom tiles are falling out, exposing swatches of years-old moldy gunk underneath. No one had taken a vacuum cleaner to the stairwell in years, until I very recently and very loudly complained about it. There is simply NO maintenance of this building, period. In addition, my landlady’s dealings with me are clearly in bad faith. She has often, and absurdly, denied problems which I can plainly see with my own eyes. “I don’t see a water stain there” she answers when it is pointed out to her. Come on!

Clearly I need to move out and quickly. Clearly, I have little faith that issues can be negotiated as though among reasonable adults. My question is: do I actually have to have had a piece of stucco fall on my head in order for the danger to my health and safety to be eminently clear? I feel that some serious abuse is going on here and would like for the landlord, at minimum, to acknowledge the ordeal of the past days by paying my moving expenses to a new place. An inspector came by to see the premises at the stage in the disaster when workers had already scraped off the entire stucco ceiling and left the naked beams above. The landlord was issued a class B violation , and now, as a result, the workers slapped on this layer of sheet rock. Ostensibly, this is supposed to fix the problem and get the inspector to go away.

What I’d like is for the landlord to pay the broker’s fee for my finding a new apartment and the cost of hiring a truck to move my things, so about $3000. Does anyone have any advice for how to achieve this? I’m a pragmatist and would just like to find a way of negotiating my exit out of this nightmare. Clearly the landlord and her family have no intention of paying anything unless they feel some greater financial threat. Advice?


Comments

  1. “I honestly believe that the landlord’s cheapness is a danger to the people who live here, and would feel pretty good finding a way to give my roommates some bargaining power once I leave. At least then some good would come out of these lousy few days.”

    A very good way of giving you and your roommates bargaining power is to stop paying and leave immediately. They call it voting with your wallet.

    As for a lousy few days, BFD. Tenants go weeks on end without hot water. I went 2 straight months without heat in January/February because of a deadbeat landlord. Taking cold showers and huddling oneself under an electric blanket is real hardship IMO. Many of us just starting out in NYC had experiences with cheapo apartments and bad landlords, myself included. It’s a rite of passage if you are penniless. The bottom line is that this apartment represents a bad quality of life for you and you are just taking out your poor decision on the LL. Get out ASAP.

  2. Many many snarky thoughts kept to myself– but must share this little one…

    It might be amusing if Glass got sued for trespassing, dumping, and/or B and E (no lease/
    no implied right of access).

    You are so sure that LL’s are the majority of above posts? Doesn’t sound like it to me.
    There is a lot of balance shown, and even compassion for your plight– but you know what they say about ‘none so blind as those who will not see’.

    Consider buying your buddies some beer (or whine, for your hipster friends) and have a moving party. It may help you leave with a better taste in your mouth, not a bitter one.

    Good luck in your new address.

  3. I’ll stop posting here, since the majority of the nasty comments seem to be from landlords. As I mentioned, my landlord too somehow found a way to make this out to be my fault. Many of the other posts have helped, however, especially from those people who took time to specifically address the details of my situation.

    I honestly believe that the landlord’s cheapness is a danger to the people who live here, and would feel pretty good finding a way to give my roommates some bargaining power once I leave. At least then some good would come out of these lousy few days.

    Thank you everyone.

  4. You get what you pay for. The roommate on the lease is probably hustling you and the others and pocketing a bit of the rent collected. And now you are trying to hustle the old lady LL.

    Tell the head weasel that you will not be paying any more rent and using that saved money to get another place. Save receipts,pictures,and document everything incase Primary tenant tries to sue for back rent.You might talk the other 2 into going in with you.

  5. next time fake a serious brain injury – you missed a prime nyc rite of passage. let’s just chalk it up to inexperience. turn “could have been killed” into “made a killing”. call your borough president’s office for more specific information how to move forward with this type of operation. (hint, more stuff may “fall” so be “prepared” next time).

    you’re not cashing out, you’re buying in.

    (extreme sarcasm warning)

  6. You come off as a scam artist. You don’t have $3000 in damages. How much of a fee did you pay to get into this palace? How much did it cost you to move your vast possessions into it? You chose to move into a dirty crumbling place without the responsibility of a lease. Please post your name so I will be sure never to rent to your entitled whiny self.

  7. “And the ceiling probably DID fall down from drilling.”

    You people crazy. Seriously.

    Anyhow, feel for you on the collapse, sorry that people are jumping down your throat on this one, but I’m afraid that the general “You’re probably not going to get anything out of this, cut your losses and get out” sentiment rings pretty true. W/o a lease, w/o personal injury and w/o a desire to spend more than you’ll make on attorneys, you should probably just take what you can and split.

    …and let it be a lesson everyone: always have a lease.

  8. Send a letter putting them on notice that you need repairs to be made and what they are but say that you invested significant money to get there so you would obviously like to work things out. Put your rent money in an escrow account and wait for their response. When they respond negatively, call the Dept of Bldgs and get them out there and see what they say. If they sound like they are on your side, tell the LL that you intend on taking the matter to housing court. This should buy you at least a couple of months in which time you’ll look for another place and then move. You don’t actually have to take them to court, just buy yourself some time, save your money and get the heck out of dodge. I told you how I handled my old LL and you are asking for advice that only legal counsel can provide…so call an attorney. The average will spend five minutes on the phone with you.

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