Ward's Bakery: The Calm Before the Storm
There were more protesters and members of the media than construction workers on site this morning at Ward’s Bakery. The Hagan sisters were there with their signs and Norman Oder with his camera. Meanwhile, the only instrument of destruction onsite was this Keyspan backhoe. Bulldozers for Ward’s Bakery [Brownstoner]
There were more protesters and members of the media than construction workers on site this morning at Ward’s Bakery. The Hagan sisters were there with their signs and Norman Oder with his camera. Meanwhile, the only instrument of destruction onsite was this Keyspan backhoe.
Bulldozers for Ward’s Bakery [Brownstoner]
Yea, yea, anyone who supports the project is a dupe of Ratner. This drill is even more stale than the one you are attempting to criticize. Also, critiques of the opponents flubbed strategies are NOT the reason we support the project – they’re the reason why Hagan et al have failed.
“you and your lot come across as radical extremists and thus have alienated most of the moderates”, give me a break!! HA HA HA HA, this is the pro-camps mantra and it’s a complete hoax of a statement. if this is your main argument and your reason for supporting this project then i call your bluff. who decided that this would be the tactic? i have news from you, Ratner is not on the side of the common Brooklynite or whatever you want to call yourself, he’s trying to rip you off and he’s waaaaaaaay smarter than you if this is what you got, because he put those words in your mouth, whether you know this or not. this will be the swindle of the century and you are going to be completely HAD. you don’t have to like Goldstein to oppose this project. if you can manage to impartially check the facts then that is all you need.
yeah. Errol Louis is the guy who introduced the “slime” word to this debate. “Anonymous” and “fantastist” are objective observations.
Norman Oder writes:
“some anonymous slimester fantasist”
Thus proving the point of Objective Observer and other moderates. What a surprise that we wish to remain anonymous.
Norman,
I think your heart is in the right place but you and your lot come across as radical extremists and thus have alienated most of the moderates on the issue of AY. The non-stop “sky is falling”/doomsday rhetoric of the opposition did not win you any support in the community. Instead, it made you less credible as none of it made any sense; with time people simply turned a deaf ear to everything coming out of the AY Report, No Land Grab and DDDB. Furthermore, Dan Goldstein was not the right person to lead this charge. He’s too volatile, emotional, unpredictable and easily offends. Where the position required a consensus builder; someone levelheaded with a centrist point of view who could work with FCR and bring about some of the concessions which would’ve been appropriate for the project. Instead, the likes of Goldstein and the Hagans were allowed to wreck havoc on this entire process and now we are facing the grim reality that the zero sum game that was played will leave us with nothing in the end.
You want to know how you guys failed the community? (1) the scare tactics on falling real estate prices were horse shit and unbelievable; (2) you never provided a consistent message (a)too much luxury housing that would create more gentrification and drive up real estate values and make the community unaffordable or (b) too much low income housing which would set the community back ten years and reintroduce crime and drugs into the area; (3) Dan Goldstein calling African-Americans “slaves to their white masters” was a disgusting act of desperation; (4) the Barclay’s and slavery tactic was equally offensive; (5) an “all or nothing” approach to negotiation is never the right path to take when dealing with a project of this size and scope with some many different constituents; (6) failing to listen to AY supporters and painting everyone who differed with the opposition into a monster or devil worshiper (the politics of personal destruction is a major turn off); (7) the offering of better suited sites (e.g., Coney Island, Red Hook and the Navy Yard with either no or very little transportation infrastructure) spoke of pure NIMBYISM; and (8) the opposition seriously misunderstood the psychological importance of a professional sport franchise in Brooklyn.
I’m sorry but this was not a well organized and orchestrated battle – it was marred by blunder after blunder after blunder. You guys were not the right people for the job and as a result valuable and necessary compromises were never achieved in a way that could have improved the project for everyone.
Objective Observer
Some anonymous slimester fantasist wrote, “I tried getting involved early but I was turned off by the Hagan sisters, Goldstein, Oder and the rest of the anti-development gang. I just found them to be very extreme and scary in their tone and proposed actions.”
That anonymous coward has an Errol Louis-like relationship to the facts. I haven’t tried to recruit anyone, and I started studying Atlantic Yards in July 2005, more than 18 months after the project was announced.
SPer,
You seem to know a lot about the project. How much do you think Nets season tickets will go for? I’m interested in getting a couple of seats for my son and I. Do you have any connections? If so, please leave you email address and I will get in contact with you. I’m in Cobble Hill and my son and I are just ecstatic about the prospects of seeing the Nets live and within walking distance.
Nets Fan
Why are you guys even wasting your time arguing with these nimbots? AY is the best location for an arena and housing/commercial development of this size and nature. There is not another available site in New York City that gives us the transportation options presented by AY.
Transportation options to Atlantic Yards/Downtown Brooklyn includes (all within 5 minute walk to proposed Nets arena and development site): Subway Lines A, B, C, D, F, G, M, N, Q, R, 2, 3, 4, 5; LIRR; Bus Lines 25, 26, 37, 38, 41, 45, 52, 63, 65, 67, 103 (and numerous bus and train transfer thereto). I challenge the opposition to find a better site that doesn’t require the city to spend $10 billion dollars to build a comparable subway infrastructure. I’m waiting….
Ummmm you called yourself an idiot. I called you a Tool maybe you thought I meant Fool.
So why is it whenever a question(s) is raised about something a AY supporter writes they to become very evasive and they makes themselves look like victims? I mean seriously why write something if you cant back it up?