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Under inclusionary zoning codes, a developer putting up a big market-rate tower in downtown Brooklyn can put up an even bigger market-rate tower if he agrees to build some affordable housing. The kicker is that he doesn’t even have to include the affordable portion on site: He can stick the affordable units in a cheaper part of town and still earn the market-rate bonus. Which is how 15 Quincy Street came to be. Instead of including the 48 affordable units in its 40-story tower at Myrtle and Prince, BFC Partners is putting them on Quincy across the street from the Salvation Army. Do you think developers who benefit from inclusionary housing should be able to build the affordable portion off-site?
Development Question on Quincy [Brownstoner] GMAP P*Shark DOB
PACC Keeps Busy, Breaks Ground on Quincy [Brownstoner]
Two Towers, One On, One Half Off (Site) [Downtown Star]


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  1. Eeewwwwwww! Too much information pal- so what was the deal? You treated them like chattel? Because frankly with your attitudes that’s the only way I can imagine you being with anyone. I bet that “long-lasting” relationship was all of 45 minutes.

    Please don’t use the Holocaust to prove you are no racist- it’s not working for you and yours was not the only Jewish family who fled or got wiped out. However most of us seemed to learn from our experience.

    Remember this classic post? :Really SPer?

    How about a convicted felon?

    How about a drug dealer?

    How about welfare?

    Please, spare me the “token clerk” shit. They make 50-60k after a few years. It would be nice if “low-income housing” meant hard working immigrants or civil service. But immigrants have too much pride to take these units, and the civil service people make too much. Guess who’s really going to live here?

    You guessed it, Tyrone from Attica. ”

    You don’t see it so you? Or you do but you want to backpedal so no one thinks er… poorly… of you. Ain’t working for ya.

    Take some advice- people here understand exactly what you’re saying. Exactly. So if you really don’t know the language, don’t try speaking it. Oh, and by the way, it’s poon-tang; integration and Bedford-Stuyvesant. At least learn to spell them right.

  2. What idiots! The nabe is already riddled with a disproportionate number of poor people (avg household income for Clinton Hill is about $30k)! So if you really want mixed income housing then that would mean building more luxury housing for the rich and attracting a slew of families making north of $200k+ and not more people making under $30k. You folks are absolutely nuts!

    This is why so many people east of Flatbush actually support Atlantic Yards because it’s actually creating more of a mixed income neighborhood by injecting more high income families into the community.

    Putting people earning under 25k in BS, FG and CH does nothing to promote a diverse, vibrant and mixed income community. You’d be better off putting these people in Brooklyn Heights, Park Slope, the Upper East Side, Gramercy, Soho and Tribeca! Or better yet, let’s expand the Gowanus and Wycoff housing projects in CG/BrH in the name of “mixed income communities”!!!

    You guys are a joke! Don’t know your ass from your head!

  3. Beeothc, that’s a sad situation. You should have went to the DOS and had then send in a tester to bust those sons of biatches (Sounds like a Corcoran move)

    you guys should read the book Blink by Malcom Gladwell…

    The reality of it is that people are not going to change their strips becomes on a post thread. And in my humble opinoin, part of the reason why people protest the condos is becuase they can’t afford them, and thus get pushed further into Brooklyn, until the next neighborhood becomes then next big thing.

    I’ve never met a white Tyrone, that’d be interesting. In regards to poo tang, alot of non blacks have gotten a bunch, too that didn’t make it ok; especially since they were slave owners and rapists, but i digress…

    It’s cliche, but education is key. the “poor” (MTA clerks who are getting their jobs taken from them by a big machine that dispenses palstic cards and could never summon for police if there’s oh, I dunno, a ROBBERY taking place!) etc, etc, ned to get educated to the game and understand what’s happening around them, and what they need to do get in the game. and the rich need to f*cking stop pulling one over on em (but i guess if they didn’t, they may not be rich, just human)

  4. /\ To both Beeotch and Silver: Stop smoking PCP and actually read what’s being said.

    Beeotch: Sorry for your racist experience. I don’t believe in raical segregation. But that doesn’t make me a nazi. I never said “Blacks” or “Whites”, I said “Poor” and “Middle Class” and “Rich”. STOP. MAKING. EVERY. FUCKING. THREAD. ABOUT. RACE.

    Just like you in the Bed-Stuy virgin ad thread, no one cares about your interracial marriage. I’ve had more non-white poo-tang (especally Black and PRican) than you would care to imagine. One of longest relationships had skin as black as the midnight sky. Please, STFU about it.

    Racist landowner? Try your whole family fleeing the holocaust you scumbag…..then come back to be about “race”

  5. “If you support intergration, then support intergration. Don’t come to me explaining why we need more “diversity” in Park slope when their is extremely little diversity in Bedford-Stuyvestant. ”

    the lack of diversity can’t be blamed on the people of Bed-Stuy- they’re the ones who stayed when the whites left. It’s a far cry form being pushed out of neighborhoods or simply not being let in;. think not? I was in an interracial marriage and it got to the point where my husband could not come with me to see RE agents in B’klyn Hgts. And they blatantly told me they had to “see” him because Blacks were moving into the neighborhood and they wanted to prevent that. They blatantly told me right to my face they didn’t rent to Blacks. Not only blatant, they were even proud of this so-called honesty.

    NYC has “a solution?” As in Final Solution? “cubby holes of working-class, middle-class, upper class and so on allow the city to more effectivley target areas that need help.
    ” Please try not to sound like a nazi jerk- no one owns a neighborhood and no neighborhood belongs to one exclusive group. My fondest wish is that someone lock you in a room with the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence and not let you out until you not only memorize them but you understand them.

  6. Umm, your last 2 paragraphs make no sense at all. Don’t put it off on Bed Stuy vs Park Slope. One could just as easily ask why so little diversity exists in Mill Basin or Bensonhurst. Or most of Staten Island, for that matter. Neighborhood exclusivity, especially regarding race, is not simplistic, or only a matter of blacks/Latinos keeping the white folks out.

    I have never seen black people in Bed Stuy protesting condos, especially because they don’t want to share with white people. Please provide addresses and situations, not just ridiculous blanket statements.

    If there are any such demonstrations going on in either the Latino or black communities, they go on for the same reason they are protested in the South Slope, or anywhere else – they are protesting non-contextural POS buildings replacing perfectly good existant buildings that could have been renovated or reused, or luxury condos are being plonked down in the middle of a neighborhood that is in dire need of affordable housing. Race is totally irrelevant.

    It seems to matter very much to you that blacks and latinos are the bigots here, not you. Methinks thou dost protest waaayyyy too much.

  7. Whatever dude. I’m not trying to be an asshole with “Tyrone”. I know whites named Tyrone/Kendra and I’ve seen Blacks named Tony and Sara.

    Anyway, the fact of the matter is that yes, is there good people and hard workers in NYCHA, yes, there are. I would be pleased to have them as neighbors.

    But let’s bring ourselves back to the real world. NYC has the right solution already. The rich, middle class and poor all live in the same entity (City of NY), yet have their own neighborhoods.

    The needs of Brownsville are vastly different than the needs of Bensonhurst. You know this. by having cubby holes of working-class, middle-class, upper class and so on allow the city to more effectivley target areas that need help.

    And as for “intergration”, so that’s why the Latinos of East Harlem and Blacks of Bed-Stuy protest every new condo, because they don’t want to share their neighborhood with white people. that’s the straight up truth.

    If you support intergration, then support intergration. Don’t come to me explaining why we need more “diversity” in Park slope when their is extremely little diversity in Bedford-Stuyvestant.

  8. And you, Common Sense (may I suggest simply “common”) have your head buried so far up your butt you can’t even read what you write. do you honestly think that your use of “Tyrone from Attica” implies a rainbow coalition of jolly prisoners? Especially in the context of this thread? Admit it- you are a racist. You have a whole history of self-denying very obviously racist posts. At least be a man and admit it.

    As for who has pride,immigrants being too proud to take “one of these units” – I warrant you have never been inside a Black person’s house because every statement you have made regarding Blacks, Latinos, Immigrants and pretty much life itself has been so off the wall that I’m shocked that someone still lets you out of the padded room. I know from past posts you’re Jewish- what an embarrassment to us. And how will you feel the next time someone talks about how we Jews run the country or have all the money or are cheap. But go ahead- play right into the hands of the anti-semites. Let them add “stupid racists” to the list. But don’t bitch about bigotry when yours is so gloriously, hugely on display.

    Too bad you can’t remember that old saying about when they come for the Jews at night, they’ll come for the Blacks in the morning. I remember it- I remember it every day when some self-entitled twit talks like Life owes them something. And for your information, that air of entitlement usually comes with money, not lack of it.

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