Not Too Late For AY to Go Through ULURP?
Although Dan Doctoroff signed an agreement with the state and Forest City Ratner in ’05 that allowed the developer to sidestep ULURP for Atlantic Yards, thus substantially weakening the community’s say in the mega-project, the outgoing deputy mayor is now singing a different tune. If it happened again, and the state were to ask if…
Although Dan Doctoroff signed an agreement with the state and Forest City Ratner in ’05 that allowed the developer to sidestep ULURP for Atlantic Yards, thus substantially weakening the community’s say in the mega-project, the outgoing deputy mayor is now singing a different tune. If it happened again, and the state were to ask if I would encourage them to take Atlantic Yards through the ULURP process, I would say yes, Doctoroff tells the Observer in an interview. But is it really too late for Atlantic Yards to go through the public-review planning process? In a press release, Develop Don’t Destroy spokesman Daniel Goldstein argues that it’s not. As the project has not begun construction—and can’t while it faces two court challenges—Mayor Bloomberg can get it right and send the development of the Vanderbilt Yards through ULURP; it’s what his soon-to-be former, highly praised and trusted right hand man thinks is appropriate,” says Goldstein. We agree: Better late than never for Brooklyn’s largest development, a project that is going to receive substantial public financing and forever alter the borough.
Doctoroff Looks Back on Atlantic Yards [NY Observer]
Doctoroff: Atlantic Yards Should Have Gone Through ULURP [DDDB]
Photo by pencer T. Tucker for nyc.gov.
Yo Doctoroff if you are reading this, or anybody else who can pass this on to him…one of the only 5 parking lots mentioned in the plan in the area is now turning in to a high rise rental. That is discussed in an earlier post tonight. Bloomberg’s administration is going to single handedly turn a nice part of NYC in to one big giant parking lot. We all know the feeling when you drive by the Trump built buildings on the west side highway. How you get amazed that there are so many of the same looking thing. Well that will be nothing because those buildings are teeny-tiny compared to what’s coming to AY. And you won’t be zipping by them on a highway. You will be caught for hours in bumper to bumper traffic on most nights of the year as bozos from the tri-state area search in vain for parking to the hundreds of events they will have at the arena. And then ask yourself why wouldn’t a terrorist strike again at the same exact subway station they tried to blow up in the 90’s. But hey this time the city honchos threw up a giant arena all covered with glass. What happens next. All we can say about Al Queda is that they seem obsessed with enacting their plans no matter how long it takes. But nobody bothered to examine that old chestnut when it came to AY planning.
5:49 It is true the overflow goes into the Gowanus Canal I believe. This is one of the many details the AY team felt they did not have to address in their secretive deals with the State.
“Who is 5:43 referring to?…”
Themself, evidently.
5:43, I am curious…new to this site…
Can you explain how the fresh water delivery system works and do you know how they are planning on augmenting/updating it for the large development? I also not clear on what will be done about the waste water. A friend of mine said there is a waste management system that overflows when it rains heavily. Some part of Brooklyn gets the brunt of this and the sewage spills out into the harbor. Is this true?
Who is 5:43 referring to?…
Your knowledge of the NYC water supply system is severely lacking
Hello! WE ARE paying for the arena. Where have you been?
WE’RE PAYING and they’re getting to use it for 99 years at $1. They’re reportedly getting $400m from Barcleys for the corp. name to be slapped on the arena…an arena OWNED BY THE PUBLIC…an arena that now appears to be built WAY to close to roadways for security reasons! Hhhh…
I would love to see the offshore accounts of the people and politicians involved in this.
3:20, You’re 3 points are incorrect to a certain extent. When transit lines and roads were getting built during the 20th century there was a lot of trauma. It wasn’t some clean slate of limitless space, with no unions, no laws, no communities, history, etc. Ever hear of “Eminent Domain”?! There was a lot of trauma. People lost homes and property to roadways and transit degraded neighborhoods and cities. Just because you can zip up I-95 at 72 mph looking at two-family houses on either side does not mean that neighborhoods were not ripped apart, homes lost, community fabric ripped in half…ignorance. Every hear of Slobert Moses? GM et al pushed it through and before that railways grabbed what they could and got sweet deals from gov’t, used eminent domain, etc.
And to the one above who thought that somehow certain infrastructure concerns are of no concern: Low water pressure can easily become an issue in both the existing surrounding areas and down the line from a super dense residential area put in without an upgrade to the system. Existing homes and buildings probably do not have the machinery that hi-rises have that create that decent water pressure people expect.
You’re living in a material daydream. You’ve been lulled into an assumption that you can just open a tap and voila. It took a LOT of engineering and it takes a LOT of infrastructure to make that happen and keep it going. There’s an expression: “The tap ran dry…†If you don’t plan, it can happen.
NYC streets have been ripped up and houses stuck on piers in order to build the underground subway…streets were ripped up again and again to lay the sewers, water mains, gas mains, electrical lines, telephone lines, TV cable lines, etc. These things get fixed, upgraded, etc. When a massive housing complex goes in, the impact on the infrastructure is usually assessed, planned for, created new or upgraded.
You wouldn’t expect one phone line going into a housing complex. A massive amount of work will have to be done by Verizon off the metro ring to get enough service in.
Con Ed will have a huge amount of work getting services in.
Why expect other utilities like incoming water and waste water/solid waste removal not to need a huge amount of infrastructure upgrade?
Sad that the only time many people ever get an inkling of the value of resources is when their Ipoop or laptop battery runs out…or when there is a rare blackout. The illusion of endless resources and the access to those resources (energy, water, food, etc.) and an easy way of disposing of wastes have unmoored us from reality.
Funny how none of the people complaining about a publicly built sports arena for a privately built team (not really true but anyway…) said a peep when the city built the stadiums in SI and CI for the Yankees and Mets – much less a protest of the new stadiums for the major league teams (except for the loss of some parkland in the Bronx)
Just be honest – you dont care about the $ – its simply that you dont want this development near you (whether its right or wrong for the city as a whole)
BS. the completed project would have at least 3,600 parking spaces.