Not Too Late For AY to Go Through ULURP?
Although Dan Doctoroff signed an agreement with the state and Forest City Ratner in ’05 that allowed the developer to sidestep ULURP for Atlantic Yards, thus substantially weakening the community’s say in the mega-project, the outgoing deputy mayor is now singing a different tune. If it happened again, and the state were to ask if…
Although Dan Doctoroff signed an agreement with the state and Forest City Ratner in ’05 that allowed the developer to sidestep ULURP for Atlantic Yards, thus substantially weakening the community’s say in the mega-project, the outgoing deputy mayor is now singing a different tune. If it happened again, and the state were to ask if I would encourage them to take Atlantic Yards through the ULURP process, I would say yes, Doctoroff tells the Observer in an interview. But is it really too late for Atlantic Yards to go through the public-review planning process? In a press release, Develop Don’t Destroy spokesman Daniel Goldstein argues that it’s not. As the project has not begun construction—and can’t while it faces two court challenges—Mayor Bloomberg can get it right and send the development of the Vanderbilt Yards through ULURP; it’s what his soon-to-be former, highly praised and trusted right hand man thinks is appropriate,” says Goldstein. We agree: Better late than never for Brooklyn’s largest development, a project that is going to receive substantial public financing and forever alter the borough.
Doctoroff Looks Back on Atlantic Yards [NY Observer]
Doctoroff: Atlantic Yards Should Have Gone Through ULURP [DDDB]
Photo by pencer T. Tucker for nyc.gov.
“So let’s say that Atlantic Yards doesn’t happen…what next?”
A more reasonable development is built after a fair and open bidding process? After infrastructure upgrades have been built into the project?
So let’s say that Atlantic Yards doesn’t happen…what next? The Vanderbilt Yards continue to be a whole in the ground for the next 100 years and Goldsheen stays holded up in his building all by his lonesome for the rest of time like Will Smith in “I am Legend”?
S-P-U-N-D-E-A-L!!!
D-U-M-B-D-E-A-L!!!
W-E-D-O-N-E-B-E-E-N-R-O-B-B-E-D…AGAIN!!!
D-O-N-E-D-E-A-L!!!
10:43AM,
I’m sorry…but you appear to be BS’ing. Are you sitting in a FCR office in Ohio? What, all the “blacks” in FG are rah-rah for an arena?! “Blacks” in FG are all up in basketball so much they can’t wait for the arena? AND, You write that that people older than you’ve been alive (36 years) are all excited…You mean to tell me that 40 and 50 year olds can’t wait for some stupid old arena to get built? They don’t care probably…or they don’t even want it. Go talk to folk down on St. Felix. Are you for real?
There are people of all stripes against AY being built and eminent domained as it’s planned…Last time I checked MANY “Black” leaders and elected officials are against AY as planned/forced through. You want names?
It’s not a questions of “white liberals”, NIMBYs keeping back “black folk”…
What? You want more big corporate stores to go in so the last remaining black owned mom-n-pop stores get squeezed out? I give my business to my local mom-n-pop pharmacy NOT to the one in Pathmark. Some old store happening all over: big stores come in with slightly cheaper prices and glitz, force out long established businesses in the community and then the big retailers become mini-monopolies. The former owners of small stores end up as employees of the big stores.
And, NO, Fort Greene was not a “black neighborhood” until 5 years ago. What planet are you on?
Yeah…It was *perceived* to be a “black neighborhood” until maybe 7 to 10 years ago. And I write “perceived”, notice? FG is was a very mixed neighborhood. There was a lot of diversity in FG south of Myrtle. For example, there was a big Central American community in the couple of streets running between tDeKalb and Fulton that no one ever seemed to consider even at that time in the 80’s and 90’s. There were people of all stripes living in FG and Clinton Hill, and yes, many “middle class black families” at one time…and yes, the economic levels and color line have shifted dramatically but your “until 5 years ago” is incorrect. You couldn’t say it was a “black neighborhood” unless you go back a WHOLE mess of years.
What? You dipping too much snuff?
10:02…the point I’m making is that I grew up in Fort Greene, which up until about 5 years ago has been BLACK neighborhood…the only people that I know in the neighborhood that are against Atlantic Yards are WHITE “LIBERAL” transplants from Manhattan and elsewhere who are complaining that Atlantic Yards will “change the character of the neighborhood”. All of my black friends…people that have lived in the neighborhood longer than I have been alive are excited about the Basketball team (which for Black people is a passion), the arena and the development in general. Ratner isn’t the white liberal telling black folks what’s good for them…NIMBY’s like Goldstein are the white people telling us (Black folk) what’s good or bad for us.
Yeah! Corporate mega stores and mega chains! Yeah! Local businesses bye-bye and Merry Christmas to you! By the way, we always have a low-pay, no health insurance sales job waiting for you when we squeeze you out.
EIGHTY PERCENT???!!! DUH…
THIS IS B.S.
How do you get 80%, pray tell? By counting the city streets and sidewalks that will be given to FCR? Ridiculous!
Building there will be VERY different if the city cannot, in the end, demap and give over the streets and sidewalks and if FCR cannot buyout or strongarm current property owners via eminent domain.
Look, FCR could have stuck an arena on the other side of Atlantic…and still could. But we need to have our UpCHUCK-E-CHEESE and Daffy’s, etc., etc.
Nope, the arena can not be built at the corner of Atlantic and Vanderbilt without the use of emient domain. 5 of the 13 eminent domain plaintiffs rent or own property on that block.
Plus the state would have to do an entirely new EIS to build it there, and FCRC doesn’t want to build it there, as it wouldn’t feed directly into their malls.
but the bottom line is that the arena and superblocks cannot be built without the use of eminent domain — as in Atlantic Yards cannot be built without the use of eminent domain.
Nail not hit on head.
as for the gentleman/woman above who has lived in Brooklyn for 36 years, does it mean that someone who has lived in Brooklyn for say 42 years is more right than you are, whether white or black? not sure if you noticed, but Bruce Ratner is a white liberal (supposedly) attempting to gentrify the neighborhood and tell black people that it will be good for them.