Inside Third & Bond: Week 138
This week we’re hearing from Kelly & Charlie, pictured here in their soon-to-be-own kitchen. They are under contract for a 2-bed 2-bath and roof terrace. Don’t let their charming smiles fool you; they had a lot of tough questions before they signed on the dotted line! T+B: Tell us a little about yourselves? How big…

This week we’re hearing from Kelly & Charlie, pictured here in their soon-to-be-own kitchen. They are under contract for a 2-bed 2-bath and roof terrace. Don’t let their charming smiles fool you; they had a lot of tough questions before they signed on the dotted line!
T+B: Tell us a little about yourselves? How big is your family? What are your professions?
Charlie and I met the first week of freshman year of college and started dating about a week later back in 2001. We’ve been engaged since last year but it looks like we will wait on getting married until we can settle into our new home and save a bit more for a wedding. I am a Trusts and Estates attorney and Charlie is an HVAC design engineer. It’s the two of us and our two cats, Benjamin, a 7 year old Himalayan Persian, and Elvis, a 2 year old Ragdoll.
T+B: Benjamin and Elvis are going to love bird-watching out the back windows. What are your favorite things about the unit you have under contract?
There are so many things we love about our unit– the huge windows in the front with the view of the Kentile Floors sign, the open kitchen and vast counter space, the view from the bedrooms of the backyards and how quiet it will be to be away from the street, the central A/C, the quality of the appliances and fixtures, down to the button tiles in the second bathroom. We really think the reason we fell in love with the development and our unit is the attention to detail of the design team and contractors and their refusal to cut corners. We looked at so many places and saw time and again a willingness to sacrifice quality for speed and cost-savings-here you can tell that everyone involved with the project cared about the end result.
T+B: How long had you known about the project before making an offer? Did you strongly consider any other units?
We knew about the project for about a month before we made an offer. We went back a couple of times to scope out the place before making an offer because it was such a big decision and an important investment. We really liked 404 Bond Unit 3 as well, but we ultimately went with this unit because the price was better for our budget and its location on the street really appealed to us.
T+B: When you set out to find a new condo, what were your top 4 must-haves? What was one thing that you really, really hoped for but knew realistically probably wouldn’t get?
Our must haves were: (1) the neighborhood, it had to be in Cobble Hill or Carroll Gardens since we love living here so much, (2) it needed to have two bedrooms so that we would have room to grow, (3) it needed to have a smart layout, open kitchen, a true second bedroom (not a walk-in closet with a window) and (4) it needed to be over 1,000 square feet so that we wouldn’t feel crowded or that the living space was too narrow, which is our current situation in our parlor floor brownstone apartment rental. There were a couple of things we hoped for but didn’t insist on: central A/C, washer and dryer and private outdoor space, all of which we got here. We could have also tolerated a parking space but we knew that was kind of pushing it!
T+B: We’re glad Charlie didn’t have to show up at work, having bought a condo with window air conditioners. Are you from NYC originally? Is this your first real estate purchase in NYC?
Charlie grew up in Yonkers and I grew up on Long Island. We have lived in Brooklyn for a few years now and this is our first real estate purchase generally, let alone in NYC.
T+B: What do you like about this area?
It really feels like a community, there are wonderful people, fabulous restaurants, great parks and the commute to Manhattan is so easy.
T+B: Are you worried about the Gowanus Canal?
We would say that we are concerned about it, sure. You won’t find either of us swimming in it any time soon. But we have reviewed the information available and took a lot of comfort in some of things that we have seen, including a New York Times article interviewing Christos Tsiamis, the scientist from the EPA who is the project manager charged with figuring out how contaminated the Gowanus is and the best means to clean it. When he was asked what would he say if his daughters decided that they were moving near the Gowanus, he responded “[a]bsolutely. I don’t think there are any issues. I would live near the Gowanus Canal. It’s a beautiful area. I think it’s very expensive, though.”
T+B: And we didn’t even bribe him to say that. Do you think Whole Foods will ever open?
We’re not sure, but we aren’t too concerned since we have a few small markets in the immediate vicinity and Park Natural Foods (which we love) is within a few blocks of the development.
T+B: How has it been getting a mortgage?
It hasn’t been too difficult, but there are a couple of restrictions on lending for new developments that have slowed the closing process. One of the big ones is that 51% of the units are required to be in contract before the bank will release the funds. [T+B: 51% is the requirement for Fannie Mae backed loans. Third + Bond is also approved for FHA loans which can close when 30% of the units are in contract.] We think the best thing you can do is find a broker you are comfortable with so that you can ask all your questions since it can be such an intimidating process. Our mortgage broker, Tim Goss from Wells Fargo, has been terrific and we think that has made all the difference.
T+B: Be honest, how important in your decision-making was Third + Bond’s commitment to being green?
It was very important to the both of us. It really set this development apart from any other units we have looked at. The LEED certification process helps identify that the building’s developer and design team made design considerations that will ultimately help us to minimize our energy and water use while ensuring a healthier indoor environment for years to come. Charlie is a LEED Accredited Professional and I can pretty safely say that you have never seen anyone get as excited about a dual flush toilet.
T+B: How did you hear about Third + Bond?
Streeteasy.com
T+B: When in your buying process did you learn about our postings on Brownstoner? Did they have any impact on you (like you secretly posted mean things during negotiation and now only post nice things)?
After we visited the first open house. I read the blog regularly now and any time I start to read the comments Charlie yells at me to stop because I tend to get upset when anyone says anything negative about our new home.
T+B: If there was one thing about how we developed T+B that you’d have wanted us to do differently, what would it be?
Bike storage. We wouldn’t mind some parking spots, but we could definitely use central bike storage.
T+B: Maybe we shouldn’t tell you that we had bike storage planned for each building, but the storage was lost to competing needs. We’re looking into nice sidewalk racks though. Do you have your eye on any particular new furniture to fit out your new castle in the sky?
We are planning on refurbishing my grandmother’s dining room table, which we never had the space for before. We are also planning to buy some pieces from Copeland, which uses sustainably harvested hardwoods from the American Northern Forest and is Forest Stewardship Council certified.
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They didn’t say they got an FHA loan.
cmu:
Did you not read the next sentence? “Charlie is a LEED Accredited Professional” Then there’s the part in the first paragraph where it says Charlie is an HVAC design engineer. I guess that’s who talks like that.
Kelly and Charlie, (who, having surrendered their personal privacy on the Interwebs, are already paying the price):
Whatsamatta you, you no get married, a nice couple like you? Seriously! Set a date, already! You got money enough for this fancy co-op, but you need to “save” for a fancy wedding? You can get married on a shoestring; daring to envision a lifetime together, even with today’s odds and who knows what personal history for either of you, priceless. Don’t let that commitment thing pass you by, darlings.
A great mystic once said, “The language of love is forever.” The language of real estate pales by comparison.
(Hey–at least Flatbush Yenta here isn’t dissing you for using an FHA program!)
PS Give Elvis a kiss for me. Ragdolls are the BEST, I’ve got one. And they are tractable enough to serve as ring-bearers, you could put Elvis on a leash with a little pouch around his neck!
Kelly and Charlie;
Aren’t you glad you agreed to the interview?!?!
PS: Kelly, you’re pretty cute and obviously smart. Charlie did alright for himself there.
Actually the whole issue of mortgage interest deductability is welfare for the monied classes. Many countries have done way with this perk, but good luck on seeing that in this one.
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Why should an obviously affluent couple buying a luxury apartment in a high end neighborhood receive FHA assistance?
THANK YOU! it’s essentially welfare for the leisure class.
*rob*
>”The LEED certification process helps identify that the building’s developer and design team made design considerations that will ultimately help us to minimize our energy and water use while ensuring a healthier indoor environment for years to come.”
Sorry, I call total bs. Who the hell talks like this unless they’re reading from a script?
Absolutely right about FHA. What a disgrace.
I’m sure the FHA does some good things, but I bet 90% of the agency could be eliminated.
And sorry, but just because your low income doesn’t mean you should be able to purchase a home with 3.5% down. All that does is help drive up the prices.
The absolute minimum downpayment should be 10% down, plus another 10% liquid assets so you have the money to replace the boiler or the roof.
Congratulations and best of luck in your new home.
This is the first of these I have read all the way through.