Another Church on Fulton (As If It Needs One)

Please, I keep coming back to this thread because of assholes like yourself. I’ve done just fine with my college education, zero children out of wedlock, my own business that has international clients and my own condo in a great neighborhood. I have no guilt. Nothing you said applied to me…or a lot of other black people. Don’t lump us all into a category. Gee, I guess that’s what racism looks like. If you talk about how much a cancer black people are and you’re black yourself then you sound like the self loathing black person here. You want better for your people? Maybe less talk from your ass and more work. By that I mean, you gab a lot about the failure of black “culture” here but you haven’t said crap about how you’ve helped anyone…black or white. You’ve read a book. Congratulations, your education has paid off now roll up your sleeves and help out your “people” and shut the hell up. You’ve got to be the most retarded person on here to take a thread about a church (that either was or was not in your community) and you make it an opportunity to talk about how the black community is failing. What the hell does that have to do with a church being erected. Stay on topic moron. I was addressing (along with some others on here) how some of the posts on this topic seemed racst because these people were not from area and as such should leave the people in that area (predominantly black) and the members of that new building (also predominantly black) alone. You’re so stupid that you take it as an opportunity to show everyone what you know about a book that someone else wrote. Well now we all know that you’re a self loathing moron who would rather yammer on about a book he read then about the existence of a building. You want to talk about the book and lump a race of people (which happen to include yourself) take it somewhere else. It has nothing to do with the building of a church on Fulton Street. Who put you in charge of the black community anyway? Sure, you can criticize but you’ll probably have a better response from black people (or any “culture” you choose to hold under your all powerful magnifying glass) by trying on a daily basis to actually do better for yourself and your people. When was the last time you hired a minority (black person), showed them how to work in a way that will get them ahead or even helped out in the community. I guess it’s better for stupid jerks like yourself to sit in your tower and read when you can do either one or both of the things I suggested. If you’re so intelligent why don’t you show the rest of “us” how to be like you? Oh that’s right, because that’ll mean we just read a book and never got off our ass to help a brother. Not with a handout but with an actual job or maybe some counseling/teaching/coaching of some sort.
I am my brothers keeper because, unlike you, I work in the community…for free. I hire minorities whenever I can and one thing I realize after being in business for 20 years is that it’s better to help than to offer criticism. It doesn’t help….constructive or otherwise. Would you tell your wife or husband she was fat? Would you tell your kid he/she was stupid? Those are just criticsms…they may even be true, but if you’re looking to help that person, you’ll actually help them…not criticise them. There’s almost nothing worse (racially speaking) than someone who doesn’t even know you (like YOU don’t know ME) pointing out your problems based on your color….not on who you actually are. You want to see the black community do better? Roll up your sleeves and jump in the trenches. You want to show them their shortcomings because you think that’ll help? Well, I don’t think that’s working…is it. You want to help ME? Don’t bother bro, I have my act together and I help not only my “people” but pretty much anyone I can. Are you doing anything beside reading a book and feeling like you can criticise because you’re doing okay in life? Yeah, didn’t think so. Now shut up and talk about the building and why you like or don’t like the design and/or why you think or don’t think it should be “allowed” to be built. That area and that church have no effect on me and does it really negatively affect the neighborhood…I don’t know. I think unless you’re from that area that you should be allowed to comment on it. It’s not a skyscraper. It might not mess up traffic (depending where on Fulton it’s located). It’s another church that a body of people thought they’d need because they’re either in an obsolete or undersized building. WHO CARES!!! Is it so wrong for a church to be built? Something might be better for that particular spot like…umm…a stadium, a crackhouse. Would any of those be better for the black community?

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So if black are such idiots how do you explain the ones that are doing fine? It’s not race jackass it’s economics and society, if it were race then all black would have this problem. You need to isolate the problem better. Attributing the problem to a certain color of people only creates stereotypes. A poor person can’t choose their color. Sure they can make certain choices to better their situation but does that have anything to do with race. People are people no matter the color and there will always be people who do better and people who don’t. As long as politics and capitalism have anything to do with anything then for sure there will be people who do better than others. Don’t act like this isn’t true. I guess if you want to point out how bad black people are, then I guess we can talk about how bad white people are. Hmmm, let’s talk about Hitler, George W Bush, anybody that thought slavery was okay for the time, anybody who still thinks of any group as “those people”. Racism has hurt every minority in this country with it affecting blacks the most. The only people it doesn’t affect negatively are white people so don’t go around acting like you know how to fix anyones problems…you’ve done enough already. Having said that I understand that not all white people are evil and as such don’t deserve this rant. My apologies. The majority of this site is obviously white and as such I expect no one to agree with me. We (and I mean all of us, including myself) need to be more racially sensitive and while we’re at it maybe economically sensitive. Not everybody does well and makes the right decision…..there are dirt poor people and criminals in every race. I’d actually appreciate it if the moderator (if there is one) remove this entire post from the website. Are we talking about architecture or race on this board. It’s inflammatory to talk about religion AND race.

Man, you make it so difficult. Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall. Didn’t you read anything above? Those “good stats” are from Juan Williams book. How the heck can you read the above posts about a “culture of failure” – within our community – that is destroying us left and right and you walk away and simply blame society. Damn, I’m so disappointed in you. This is the problem with us. We take no responsibility and we always look to blame others for our problems and failures.

Poor immigrants come into this country with far less, are equally discriminated against, live in ethnic ghettos – sometimes three families or more in one apartment – but they figure out pretty quickly the FORUMULA stated above. Why shouldn’t they when it boils down to plain old simple common sense and logic. But black people for whatever reason can not comprehend nor appreciate this basic FORMULA. This is the salient issue that we are trying to solve so that the entire community can be elevated to a higher place. Unfortunately, this lofty goal will never come to fruition if the majority of us continue to think like Anon 9:13am.

By 2004 federal data showed that black Americans – 13 percent of the population – accounted for 37 percent of the violent crimes, 54 percent of arrest for robbery, and 51 percent of murders.

According to the U.S. Dept of Justice Department, blacks make up 13 percent of the nation’s population, but in 2004 the nation’s prison population was 44 percent black. 1 out 10 black men between the ages of twenty-five and twenty-nine is in prison.

According to the Sentencing Project (a Washington DC based group that does legal research on the criminal justice system) found the 1/3 of black American men, aged 22 – 29, were on any given day in jail or prison, on probation or on parole. That same report said that more black men were in jail or prison than in college. A black male child born in 2001 has a 33% chance of going to prison at some point in his life, according to the study.

Contrast this to the start of the 1950s where 65 percent of all state and federal prisoners were white and 35 percent were black. By the end of the 20th century the percentage of white prisoners had declined to 35 percent, while the black inmate population approached 50 percent. Something terrible has happened.

One statistical model in the 1990sput the likelihood of a low income black man going to prison during his lifetime at 60 percent.

According to the Civil Rights Project at Harvard University and the Urban Institute, only 50 percent of black students, compared to 75 percent of whites, who enter the ninth grade later graduate with a regular high school diploma. They found that the black high school graduation rate was even lower than the 53 percent rate of Hispanic students, many of them recent immigrants who face a language barrier as they go to U.S. schools. But what is more troubling is that hidden within the 50 percent graduation rate for black students is an even lower graduation rate for black males. Only 43 percent of black boys graduate from high school with a regular diploma, i.e., excluding GEDs.

According to federal data, the average black American twelfth grader scores worse on basic skills than 80 percent of white twelfth graders. That is a serious gap and a mortal threat to the race.

According to the National Assessment fro Educational Progress, 40 percent of black high school seniors tested below the basic skill level in reading.

Statistics show that 65 percent of black boys who dropped out of high school were unemployed, and stopped looking for work or were in jail during the year 2000. By 20004, the New York Times reported, 72 percent of black men who dropped out of high school were unemployed, no longer looking for work, or behind bars. Half of the black men who dropped out of college were unemployed, too.

According to the National Center for Education Statistics, half of black children starting kindergarten scored in the bottom quarter on math; one-third of black kindergartners were in the bottom quarter on reading. These gaps precede the gulf between black and white students in test scores and high school graduation rates.

37 percent of black children live with a mother and father in two-parent families and 70 percent of all black children are born to single mothers. In 1964, 82 percent of black households had both parents in place and close to half

The good news is that there is a formula for getting out of poverty today. The magical steps begin with finishing high school, but finishing college is much better. Step number two is taking a job and holding it. Step three is marrying after finishing school and while you have a job. And the final step to give yourself the best chance to avoid poverty is to have children only after you are twenty-one and married. This formula applies to black people and white people alike.

The poverty rate for any black man or woman who follows that formula is 6.4 percent. The overall poverty rate for black Americans, based on 2002 census data, the year this analysis was done, was 21.5 percent. In other words, by meeting those basic requirements, black Americans can cut their chances of being poor by two-thirds. In 2004 this number would 5.8 percent vs. 24.7 percent.

Just like the Dept of Justice and the Bureau of Labor Statistics posts their information for everyone, why don’t you? Let’s bring this into the light because I need to see the numbers from the actual survey. If the stats from BECR are true then give us all access to the info that he/she is quoting and you’re defending. I’m not saying that blacks don’t lag behind (certainly the quality of the education has a lot to do with that) but to the degree that BECR is talking about, I’m going to need to see some hard evidence from a reputable source and not some person on a blog. Doesn’t that sound reasonable?