Community Airs Qualms About Bar Near Barclays
Last night the proprietors of Midtown restaurant Social Eatz came before CB6 to apply for two liquor licenses at 604 Pacific Street, across the street from the forthcoming Barclays Center, and many at the meeting weren’t thrilled by the proposed establishment. What’s planned: A gastropub occupying 3,500 square feet that seats 150 people, with two…
Last night the proprietors of Midtown restaurant Social Eatz came before CB6 to apply for two liquor licenses at 604 Pacific Street, across the street from the forthcoming Barclays Center, and many at the meeting weren’t thrilled by the proposed establishment. What’s planned: A gastropub occupying 3,500 square feet that seats 150 people, with two bars, some live music and no outdoor space. Meanwhile, Italian and Middle Eastern restaurants are slated for a smaller section of the space. Neighbors voiced a great deal of concern about the proposal in a fashion that was reminiscent of the outcry surrounding plans for Prime Six. One speaker said, “You’re going to be opening a restaurant for the arena, and the neighborhood surrounding you doesn’t want this arena.” Other residents of Pacific Street said they didn’t want the street to return to the way it was 30 years ago. One resident stood up and read a selection of newspaper headlines that associated sports bars with violence. In the end, the community board’s consideration of the proposal was pushed back to next month. A community meeting with the restaurant owners will be set up in the interim. (The photo above shows 602 Pacific in the foreground, which the owners say will be used to house some of the business, though the bulk of the space for the bars and restaurants will be in the furniture store pictured to its left.) Atlantic Yards Report has a detailed post on the plans and the crowd’s reaction at last night’s meeting. GMAP
I found a long post about the garden on Atlantic Yards Report
http://atlanticyardsreport.blogspot.com/search?q=%22community+garden%22+flowers
Apparently if the since scaled back and put on indefinite hold “Miss Brooklyn” building were built to original plans, it would “deny sun to the garden until at least 11 a.m. May through August.”
Since the arena is much lower and farther away, the impact shadow will be much lower.
If a 350 foot building is build on the Model’s site, it “would cast shadows for only 45 minutes at the end of the day in June.”
No mention of the total death of flowers, and I trust Norman Oder to never pass up a chance to find something else wrong with AY.
if al di la wanted to open a wine bar here would there be the same opposition?
Again, ENY- in your mind. I am not arguing over it. And I don’t appreciate people who try to insist they know better than I, what I meant. If you want to make a fight out of it, have at it. We’re done here.
Actually, ENY, you would have a point if I had said “everyone,” so the assumption as to my meaning is all yours.
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No, actually I do have a point and a quite well-made one at that. You don’t seem to want to admit that for some reason.
You said: “I challenge anyone to tell me they wouldn’t be fighting for their home and neighborhood in similar circumstances.”
Used thusly, “anyone” IMPLIES “everyone.”
Actually, ENY, you would have a point if I had said “everyone,” so the assumption as to my meaning is all yours.
Is East New York like that?
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I live in Crown Heights, although I’m from ENY. BOTH neighborhoods have nice areas and thriving community gardens, which most people who post on this site wouldn’t know anything about. At times, natural environments have been displaced for development, like the sand flats of ENY (formed by the end moraine of a glacier), which in time became what is now the Gateway complex.
People do not have to “live vicariously through other brooklyn residents that presumably deserve pictureque streets, a nice neighborhood vibe and gardens.” Even the area surrounding AY still has lots of these amenities. That’s just silly. No neighborhood or residents “deserve” anything. People make choices based on the reality of the situation. If living in the suddenly community-park bereft AY area is so objectionable, there are options.
“arena’s shadow will basically kill off all the flowers that require sun”
I find that hard to believe, given the width of Flatbush, and the height of the buildings to the south of the garden.
Can you produce a copy of this study?
I do not doubt that the amount of sunlight will be reduced somewhat in the morning, but by if the arena shadow is enough to kill off all flowers, it seems like there should be none living anywhere in Manhattan and half of Brooklyn.
were people bitching on the over saturation of coffee shops, cupcake shops, etc in the area? or is over saturation something we only whip out to smack around bars and other retail some residents dont like? vacant shops are terrible – shitty for the landlord and shitty for the hood. if someone has the balls to put their money in for a bar, restaurant, coffee shop, etc, good for them. and if someone whips out the “I was here first” angle in telling off the proprietor, that’s lame. real lame.
ENY- do you not recognize a rhetorical statement? You used yourself as an example- implying if you would sell, wouldn’t anyone? So how is that any different?
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You didn’t pose your statement rhetorically, bxgrl. You used “anyone,” which, as I said, necessarily implies that your hypothesis applies to everyone. My statement, in response to yours, reflected my personal opinion. in that I only mentioned what I would do in that case. That’s quite different.