Greenwood Park Bans Kids in Late Afternoon


The controversy over children at bar and restaurant Greenwood Park continues. The establishment has instituted a new rule: No kids after 4 pm, the New York Daily News reported. Previously, children were welcome any time, but the New York Times last month said drinkers there were incensed by the presence of children. Parents upset over the ban say 4 pm is too early, and claim the real reason for the new rule is that teachers from nearby schools want to drink without kids or their parents seeing them. “We love having the kids,” said owner Diane Vasilakos. “We’re just trying to make it fair for everybody.” At the oldest beer garden in the city, Bohemian Hall and Beer Garden in Astoria, children are allowed at any hour, the Daily News noted.
Parents Angry at Ban on Kids at Brooklyn bar [NY Daily News]
Parents Fume as Beer Garden Bans Children After 4 pm [NY Daily News]
NYT: Family Friendly Bar Upsets Some Customers [Brownstoner]
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  • Why don’t teachers want the kids or parents to see them drink? You don’t need to be a teetotaler to be an educator.

  • What a poor decision. It’ll be revoked soon, I reckon.

  • The bar can do what it pleases but it’s a bit silly. Why can’t the bar have a kids free/kids only zone?

  • The bar can do what it pleases but it’s a bit silly. Why can’t the bar have a kids free/kids only zone?

  • It would be fine with me to bring your kid to the bar, so long as it’s ok with you for me to bring my beer to the playground.

  • now if only Pork Slope would do the same! it’s crazy to be in a crowded bar at 9pm and there’s 12 year olds hogging the pool table.

  • I suspect that if the parents with the more “precocious” kids were more attentive this wouldn’t have happened.

  • I suspect that if the parents with the more “precocious” kids were more attentive this wouldn’t have happened.

  • They shouldn’t allow kids in bars PERIOD, this ain’t chucky cheese. Next thing you know, they want a kids play room.

  • They shouldn’t allow kids in bars PERIOD, this ain’t chucky cheese. Next thing you know, they want a kids play room.

  • BREAKING NEWS: Local business sets own policy, some people unhappy. Film at eleven.

  • ditmas, they didn’t build that business, according to Obama.

  • ditmas, they didn’t build that business, according to Obama.

  • GOOD!!! It is a PITA to have to listen to kids sreaming all the time. UGH !! I am glad for this ban. Nothing worse than having to listen to babies scream, and they do !!!

    We had dinner at a really good restaurant on Smith, but some dumb family had to bring a 1 year old, if even that, to dinner….talk about disturbing. Upon walking out past them, i did say, now I have a big headache, and gave both parents a dirty look. They got the message.

    Hey parents, I work all day long, I raised my kids, NO, I don’t want to have to listen to your kids while I am paying a pretty penny for my dinner…..stay home or go to family place. freaking selfish rude parents,

    There should be a law, no kids under 5 in ‘better” restaurants.,… wanna take your kids out, go to TGIF, there are enough family type of places to eat.

    also there are plenty of places for kids, give us a break already.
    Not everyone wants to be around kids…..I know, I don’t

  • This is ironic considering I quit going to a local bar near Greenwood because they had a teacher’s happy hour. What a bunch of obnoxious drinkers teachers turn out to be.

  • Why isn’t there a bar for kids, by kids? Problem solved.

  • How does one know they are teachers sitting at a bar?????

  • How does one know they are teachers sitting at a bar?????

  • But, if the bar had to choose between a dozen or so drinking-aged adults playing bocci for a few hours versus a dozen preschoolers playing bocce and not drinking, well, the choice is obvious. Still, I’m inferring from the article that it was a few rowdy kids with inattentive parents who ruined it for the bunch. That’s always the way.

  • Children should be seen and not heard. Most parents too, for that matter.

  • We showed up to Greenwood Park at 4:30 yesterday and there were a half dozen forlorned sets of parents being shuffled out the door with their respective kid/s in tow… one of the kids was crying, it was a scene for sure… I definitely see it both sides of the argument but personally I have no problem with a couple kids running around, provided the more rambunctious ones are kept in check by their parents. In my opinion 7PM is a more reasonable cut-off point, if there needs to be one at all.

  • only in America would this be a problem. Trying something like this anywhere in Europe would be laughable. We’re all still a bunch of puritanical idiots. I hope this idea either fails or the bar goes out of business by turning away too many paying customers.

  • U like Europe so much maybe you should move there.

  • U like Europe so much maybe you should move there.

  • I’m in Europe right now and I don’t see a lot of kids in many bars and, crying kids get the same looks here as well.

  • Maybe Europeans wouldn’t be such lazy entitled socialists if their parents kept them off the sauce as toddlers.

  • ejr2 is apparently a Europhile. maybe he/she can also bail out Ireland, portugal, Spain, Italy and Greece and teach them about paying taxes, working a 40 hour week and a few other things. Entitled societies if there ever were any!!!!!!

  • LOL, amazing what a discussion about what a bar wants to do can devolve into here in America!!!!!!!

    Odd though that so many people outside the US from so many countries want to live here, despite the lower quality of life.

  • I have kids and this seems like a good compromise, though 5pm would be better. I think by 4 or 5, if you have little kids, you should already be done drinking, and on your way home to wind them down for the day.

  • mrshankly, you’re probably right. Only Europeans are off of work before 5:00.

  • It’s their biz, so let them set their own policy…and I cannot believe this is only due to complaints from teachers.

  • “and claim the real reason for the new rule is that teachers from nearby schools want to drink without kids or their parents seeing them.”

    Uh, really??

    Parent’s just can’t believe this is happening because bar patrons don’t want to be around their kids??? Come on, it’s a BAR. Alcohol is served. It is not a place for kids to be running around. When I was a kid, my parent’s did not take us to bars…. We were home.

    When I go to a bar and spend $$ to drink, I don’t want to feel like I’m in a daycare center. It feel cheated. Like these parents are too cheap to pay for babysitter and now I have to suffer. It isn’t fair. Why can’t parents accept that they now have children, and hence, their lifestyle has changed?

    I like kids, but I don’t want to hear them screaming and see them running around while I’m out trying to relax. It’s one thing if they are quiet, but they aren’t. It’s like a playground for them. Either accept the new phase of life, or get a babysitter. Or just invite a bunch of friends with kids to your place and drink at home. I bet these parent’s don’t even want all their friends’ kids at their place.

    Having a “kids free” zone in a bar does not make sense. A bar IS a kid free zone.

  • I’m in Florence now. Unfortunately I’m now off to dinner which will be a horrible affair with barolo drinking kids playing bocce everywhere.

    Ciao

  • I’m in Florence now. Unfortunately I’m now off to dinner which will be a horrible affair with barolo drinking kids playing bocce everywhere.

    Ciao

  • Hey, at least even European kids know that “entitled” and “self-entitled” are opposite things, and they don’t use one term when they mean exactly the opposite.

    Dingbats.

  • Hey, at least even European kids know that “entitled” and “self-entitled” are opposite things, and they don’t use one term when they mean exactly the opposite.

    Dingbats.

  • Moreover, at HotBird one night we all suffered through the screaming and screeching of kids; not only that, one kid almost got hurt when she ran into a server carrying food. It was ridiculous.

    The icing on the cake was when one of the parents said “I wouldn’t even come IN here if I didn’t have kids!” I felt like saying, then LEAVE, because you’ve ruined our whole evening!!

    • Oh, please. THe only redeeming feature of that place is the large yard children can run around in. It’s pretentious, the beer is pretty meh, (although supposed to be very special), and if I wanted to be amused by Pratt students talking about Benjamin, I could just ride the G train.

      • What are you TALKING about? Why do parents think that all outdoor space in this city is for their kids to use as their own personal playground? Childless adults like being outdoors too.

        The beer is meh? They have like a zillion beers, many of which are great.

        God, it’s not like there’s a world class park less than a 10 minute walk from here with REAL playgrounds. Why don’t you all invest in a thermos and pick up a sixer (well, four pack) of sixpoint from Union Market. I don’t hang out at the playground and drink beer and smoke cigarettes. It’s called common courtesy.

        • Your idea of common courtesy is very much oriented to your own self centered world view, which isn’t all that surprising. Taking kids to an outdoor beer garden is not the equivalent of you acting like an a-hole at a playground, where you aren’t even allowed to be, let alone drink and smoke, if you don’t have a child with you.

  • Their, they’re, ditto. Don’t get your knickers in a twist.

  • so wait, at what age do they stop letting children into bars? could a 16 year old get it? what about an 18 year old?

    i’m for no kids/teens/dogs in bars at anytime.

  • DIBS:
    The reason you don’t see too many kids in the bars in Europe is because European parents don’t normally take their children to gay sex clubs.

    By the way, when I am vacationing in Europe, I don’t normally have time to troll message boards for real estate in a city I don’t even live in.

    You’re pathetic.

  • ah, brownstoner comment section – a haven for the bitter, judgmental and precious.

  • I’m not with the whole kids in the bar thing. Kids should not be hanging out at bars.

  • The Brooklyn Public House on DeKalb had a similar policy for about all of five seconds. Now they do not and we go there again.

    If you don’t want kids at your bar, find a bar that’s not particularly kid-friendly. Ones that don’t serve food and don’t have large outdoor spaces with picnic tables tend to have fewer children. Not rocket science.

  • i dont care if parents bring their kids are in bars.

    but if i am expected to change my sorry ass behavior they can suck it. if they dont like it they can leave.

    if their kids run amok, ill tell their parents to suck it.

    otherwise, carry on.

  • i dont care if parents bring their kids are in bars.

    but if i am expected to change my sorry ass behavior they can suck it. if they dont like it they can leave.

    if their kids run amok, ill tell their parents to suck it.

    otherwise, carry on.

  • “If you don’t want kids at your bar, find a bar that’s not particularly kid-friendly.”

    I really don’t go to bars very often. But you can bet that if I did, I’d find one without kids. I’m a parent, and I have no idea why anyone would bring a kid to a bar. I don’t have a lot of respect for parents to choose to do so.

  • I say we all start telling children at bars that Santa Clause isn’t real.

  • Their beer is meh, yes. And geez, they are twee. They’re like Galapagos c. 1997. I don’t have the patience for that crap anymore. Sorry?

    Why are children so offensive to you? Do you think I care if you smoke cigarettes outside around my kid? It’s outside. We aren’t in Park Slope. We’re right Atlantic Avenue, for chrissakes. Next to a construction zone. Your American Spirits are the least of my problems!

    Also, my child is adorable. And perfectly capable of playing with an iphone for an hour or so while her parents hang out. Hot Bird should have happy hour starting at 3PM.

    • You know, I really have become sympathetic to the plight of the Brooklyn parent in my old age. I’ve accepted the fact you guys own Sunday brunch now…..that’s cool. And even though it’s easy to get on our high horse and say “no kids in bars EVER” – i don’t think anyone really cares if there are some laid back kids at a bar during the day. But there seems to be a contingent of parents out there that let their kids run wild disrupting other people. They ruin it for everyone – the good parents/kids and the non-breeders.

      • One thing about this that is lost is how greedy the owners of Greenwood Park are. If you see the daily news it says Fall curfew hours. Since the Winter won’t matter the three seasons that do will have curfews when schools in session and none when it is summer and its out. They want to eat their cake and have it still.

        Other bartenders in the neighborhood have already said teachers hate it there as they don’t want kids around them and have told them so.

        SO the fact is they loved parents when they needed/wanted their money between 4 and 7 and have chosen to chuck them out to make more money with teachers. Its their business but shows no loyalty to customers with kids who they deem no longer necessary between 4 and 7. The owners said they loved kids and welcomed then and their parents but it seems they like money more!

        That said i don’t mind a few kids in a bar but the kids should not be near the bocce court not alone playing on it. This is not a chucky cheese and parents should restrain their children in a bar setting. My friends from England said when they went to a bar as kids they never left the table.

  • i can see both sides clearly. parents who do not discipline/control their children make it bad for everyone, including parents with well-behaved/controlled children. and on the other you have people who’ve left their mommy and daddy after college and just want to act stoopid with no adults, or children present. i think that both sides should grow up and if parents can’t control their kids then kick them out along with the obnoxious drunks. and, as someone has pointed out, find a bar, which are most, that aren’t particularly kid-friendly. it aint rocket science. now eat your vegetables!

  • yeah – that’s kinda wack. if you’re going to have a curfew, make it consistent.

    the kids can have this place for all i care – i much prefer sea witch down the block, fwiw

  • Where did this troll jaguar come from? What a stupid name.

  • Where did this troll jaguar come from? What a stupid name.

  • I’m pretty sure Santa Clause is real – it was a movie about Santa Claus. Who isn’t real btw.

  • I have never been to Greenwood Park and probably will never go due to all the drama it seems to generate and the fact it has security guards. From what I have heard, it is a beer garden, or bier garten, if you prefer, not a dive bar. They serve food. They have outdoor space. They are presumably modeled on the mittel European bier gartens where the entire family gathers, including the children, and it is no big deal. I am sure some of these kids are annoying as are some of the parents. Proximity to Park Slope makes that inevitable. On the other hand, people like Dirty Hipster are every bit as annoying even if they think they aren’t. Relax. The kids won’t bite you. They probably aren’t any louder than you and your obnoxious, pretentious friends, and at least have an excuse for behaving like children, i.e. they are children. The parents don’t care if you use adult language and smoke. Otherwise they wouldn’t bring their kids there. For the parents who want a beer hall to take the whole family to, why waste your time at Greenwood? Go to Astoria to the Bohemian which is a REAL beer garden, not a yuppie, fake, Park Slope version of one. I don’t know what it is about Brooklyn, particularly Park Slope, that brings out these endless self-absorbed dramas about something as insignificant as whether parents can bring their kids to a bar before 7pm. Personally, I rarely take mine to a bar, because it’s not too much fun for me (or the kids).

  • I have never been to Greenwood Park and probably will never go due to all the drama it seems to generate and the fact it has security guards. From what I have heard, it is a beer garden, or bier garten, if you prefer, not a dive bar. They serve food. They have outdoor space. They are presumably modeled on the mittel European bier gartens where the entire family gathers, including the children, and it is no big deal. I am sure some of these kids are annoying as are some of the parents. Proximity to Park Slope makes that inevitable. On the other hand, people like Dirty Hipster are every bit as annoying even if they think they aren’t. Relax. The kids won’t bite you. They probably aren’t any louder than you and your obnoxious, pretentious friends, and at least have an excuse for behaving like children, i.e. they are children. The parents don’t care if you use adult language and smoke. Otherwise they wouldn’t bring their kids there. For the parents who want a beer hall to take the whole family to, why waste your time at Greenwood? Go to Astoria to the Bohemian which is a REAL beer garden, not a yuppie, fake, Park Slope version of one. I don’t know what it is about Brooklyn, particularly Park Slope, that brings out these endless self-absorbed dramas about something as insignificant as whether parents can bring their kids to a bar before 7pm. Personally, I rarely take mine to a bar, because it’s not too much fun for me (or the kids).

  • “I’ve never been here yet I will opine about the behavior of the people there”.

    If you say so champ!!

  • “I’m not sure, honestly, what the sanctimony is about. Is it the children seeing alcohol?”

    It’s about adults and children having separate places to gather. Kids should not be hanging out in bars where adults gather to behave like…adults. There’s a reason we have age limits for a wide variety of activities. There’s no good reason for a kid to be in a bar.

    • I think you are confusing pubs/beer gardens that serve food with bars. No reason a kid can’t be at a pub/beer garden at a reasonable hour of the day to eat a burger or hot dog while their parents have a drink. If the parents are getting trashed, that’s a different story. I honestly don’t understand this desire on the part of so many posters here to pretend kids don’t exist and to wish them away into special places like playgrounds that are just for kids. There’s nothing wrong with kids in other public spaces within reason and where appropriate. Seriously, all this drama over kids at an outdoor beer garden during the day time?

  • “I think you are confusing pubs/beer gardens that serve food with bars. No reason a kid can’t be at a pub/beer garden at a reasonable hour of the day to eat a burger or hot dog while their parents have a drink.”

    OK yeah, that’s OK. I’m talking about a bar. To me, kids in bars aren’t kosher and I don’t like it.