Here’s an interesting twist in our refinancing story. We received in the mail earlier this week the following notice from Chase, which is the provider of both our current mortgage and our Home Equity Line of Credit:

With home values falling in many parts of the country, we’ve used a proven valuation method to estimate your home’s value at $1,000,000. Unfortunately, that valuation no longer supports the full amount of your Line of Credit, so we are suspending future draws again your account as of May 15, 2009.

spigot-0509.jpgSay what? Leaving aside for a moment our suspicion that their “proven valuation method” did not take into account the fact that ours is a five-story house, the most interesting part of this is the perverse incentive it creates: After we finished our renovation in late 2005, our HELOC was pretty close to maxed out at $62,500. Since then, we’ve chipped away a few hundred dollars a month at the principal, so that the balance is now around $47,000. (Our credit score, as of last week, was the equivalent of an “A+”, according to our Chase refinancing so that can’t have anything to do with it.) So now, instead of continuing to reduce our balance, we’re going to just pay off the interest, since we know we can’t tap the line in the future if we needed to. The appraiser came for our mortgage refi yesterday morning; if that goes okay, we should have a decent case to make for unfreezing the line of credit. Regardless, the “proven valuation method” sounds like some very unnuanced generalizing at best and suspiciously like the beginnings of some old-school red-lining at worst. If, for example, the computer is using zip codes to group areas by risk, then it has no way of differentiating between a house on Classon and a house on Clinton. Or if it’s merely using physical proximity, our house could be impacted by comps a half-mile away on a less valuable block of Bed Stuy. Scary.


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  1. I’m still lmbo about momma’s basement–
    Actually’ I can even see it from waaaay over here!

    Yes, the sky, I mean the market, has fallen. But it’s not
    doing a Humpty Dumpty. It will bounce back; not fall to pieces. Sorry guy. It may take longer than WE would like; but it’s not the end of the world that YOU would like either.

    Sorry to disappoint–

    Sounds more like sour grapes, and too much time on his hands.

    If he quickly buys (@ that great new discounted price) he can then move out of the basement office, and put his computer in a non rental apartment.

    Happy hunting!

  2. Just got back from a getaway and read through all the posts above.

    nothing new here, banks aren’t lending as much and they’re balancing their sheets by cutting back where they can.

    It is quite annoying though to have this assclown buffoon chiming in every 5 posts with a non-sensical rant about how the market is falling and we are all going down and everything is over and so on and so on ad nauseum.

    Give us a break from your musings from momma’s basement.

    I don’t know what’s worse, this talking donkey or his obsequious toadies supporting the psychosis.

    cut and paste away oh master of the Turrets fueled tirade.

  3. Thanks, Heather. Of course, you’re right, prices may go up and down again. Hadn’t thought of that.

    Say, any chance you’re going to buy in Bed Stuy or Bushwick and join us?

  4. I would probably do the same as Uppergeorgetowner is suggesting. However it really depends on what Brownstoner has in mind. He may have other plans with the money he’s trying to save. In my opinion, if you are planning to keep your property for many years, there is no point holding the cash and paying so much interest in the long run. If you have cash available try to pay off your loan faster by adding to your principal. If you are refinancing and have enough cash try to bring down the loan amount so that you can meet the 80% LTV and remove your PMI (assuming you have to pay PMI).

  5. brownstoner – I’m sorry but I don’t buy your logic. You need to pay off that heloc and not rely on borrowed money to finance. You are in debt, so hoarding cash doesn’t make sense. Would you borrow from your heloc to put it in a savings account? Probably not. Set aside a reasonable emergency fund – a few thousand dollars – and get hard core about paying off Chase. Pay off your credit cards and close them too. Then save up for stuff you want.

  6. Mopar:

    Good luck on your house hunting. If you need any help please let me know. I may be able to provide some input depending on the neighborhood. Also I can put you in contact with my mortgage specialist.

  7. “if this means brownstones are sold for all-cash only, we’re staring at 90% off”

    I doubt that banks will stop offering mortgages, but, if they did, it would likely lead to the return of purchase money mortgages (the seller taking the mortgage) or other creative financing, common in the bad old days of redlining

  8. Mopar, I think they’ll go down again. Raising and lowering them moves the markets. Dunno if they’ll be this low… but prices will drop — doesn’t that make your downpayment go farther? Math not my strong suit at 1AM. Neither are financial markets. Perhaps I should not pontificate.

    Anyways, I hope you guys find something you like! And we could use you on the playground 🙂

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