Open House Picks
Carroll Gardens 391 Union Street Halstead Sunday 1-3 $2,200,000 GMAP P*Shark Prospect Lefferts Gardens 66 Midwood Street Corcoran Sunday 12-1:30 $1,400,000 GMAP P*Shark Windsor Terrace 619 Greenwood Avenue Warren Lewis Sunday 12-2 $985,000 GMAP P*Shark Bedford Stuyvesant 305 Stuyvesant Avenue Corcoran Sunday 2-3 $695,000 GMAP P*Shark

Carroll Gardens
391 Union Street
Halstead
Sunday 1-3
$2,200,000
GMAP P*Shark
Prospect Lefferts Gardens
66 Midwood Street
Corcoran
Sunday 12-1:30
$1,400,000
GMAP P*Shark
Windsor Terrace
619 Greenwood Avenue
Warren Lewis
Sunday 12-2
$985,000
GMAP P*Shark
Bedford Stuyvesant
305 Stuyvesant Avenue
Corcoran
Sunday 2-3
$695,000
GMAP P*Shark
MM:
And it gets worse.
As Richard Plunz writes in “History of Housing in New York,” suburban development was tied to national defense during the Cold War. The idea was to combine highways and new development to move people from cities, likely targets of atomic attack.
If African Americans were excluded from the suburbs, what does that say about about U.S. racial attitudes at the time?
I have a friend who taught for a year at a mostly “minority” community college in New Jersey, where she found her students flagellating themselves about their communities’ “failures.” The depth of their self-loathing was astonishing to her. Not until she began to cite research unearthing the reasons behind their communities’ conditions — location, racial make-up, property values, poverty, etc. — and their relationship to official policy, did they begin to see what they might do about it, with positive impact on their self-regard.
I wish she could lead a course for some of Brownstoner’s posters. They might be less likely to “flame” certain Brooklyn neighborhoods and mischaracterize the people who live in them.
NOP
5:29, are you having trouble with reading comprehension? I never used being a minority as an excuse for anything.
The discrimination against gays in our society is heinous, stupid and wrong, and we as a nation are idiots in our policies towards gays. However, lumping gays in with racial minorities in terms of success in upward mobility is apples and oranges. I also never said that Asian Americans are not successful people, the previous poster was specifically talking about African Americans.
The point is that we are not in a contest to determine who is the “best” minority. The point is that when all things are equal, race should not be a factor in success. We still have a long way to go there.
NOP – extremely important points, usually forgotten – and well said.
Bob Marvin:
People need to understand the full implications of your story. It describes why so much of the city and metropolitan area are what they are today, from the social make-up communities and the “wealth gap” between races to the uneven distribution of services and failure of so many of our public schools.
NOP
Nostalgic on Park Avenue/guest 5:40 PM writes “There was an economic imperative to “white flight” in the 1950s, when I was growing up in Crown Heights. The suburbs were where whites could get mortgages with little or no money down. If they’d been offered the same chance in the city, close to their families, houses of worship, and friends, at least some would have decided to stay.”
This was still the case in 1974 when I bought my house. I could only find ONE bank that would even give me [or ANYONE] a mortgage application for an old house in Brooklyn [and that was Chase, at a time when it was VERY unusual to get a mortage from a commercial bank, rather than a savings bank or S & L] AND I had to make a 40% down payment, rather than the much lower percentages required for the ‘burbs.
if we have any hope to save the planet from global warming, it will be to live in high density environments.
we will not be able to sustain life on this planet if people continually gobble up the land and exploit it for their own greed.
when the world runs out of oil, you will see every person on this planet gravitate towards the nearest big city.
we already see it more and more in places like europe, which has been around much longer and lives with less resources. their societies have become much more evolved than ours, partly because of maturity and also partly because they have already reached a turning point in how to treat the world, that we have only seen glimpses of here in the u.s. up until now, we have been FAR too selfish!
5:33–I, my husband, and all of our friends who have already moved to the burbs work in the city. Our friends have decided that the longer commute is worth the benefits of living in the farther burbs. Yes, I know die-hard urbanites who have no interest in a quieter saner life. But I know lots of creative professionals who work in the city 5 days a week and are happily living in the burbs. That was my point. The population of creative types in some burbs is quite high and is growing.
Montrose Morris:
You’ve got that right.
And the reason so many African Americans are behind the wealth curve is that they were denied access to low-cost, government-insured mortgages for the post-war suburbs that were exclusively — and at the time, legally — whites only.
To this day, most Americans’ wealth is in their real estate, and most of their wealth can be traced to federal policy that turned the country from 35% home ownership to 65% home ownership in a single generation. But due to discriminatory policies during the suburban boom, that same generation of African Americans was denied wealth-building opportunities open to others, for no reason other than race. (And wealth, more than income, powers educational achievement, career development, and the accumulation of more wealth, as research shows.)
There was an economic imperative to “white flight” in the 1950s, when I was growing up in Crown Heights. The suburbs were where whites could get mortgages with little or no money down. If they’d been offered the same chance in the city, close to their families, houses of worship, and friends, at least some would have decided to stay. And if blacks were given the same mortgate opportunities in the suburbs as whites, at least some would have left, creating a very different New York and region than we have today.
I remember the impacts of official policy on Brooklyn back in the day. At the time, of course, I knew nothing about the FHA, red-lining, exclusionary zoning, racial covenants, etc. But within a decade, my old neighborhood went from “white” to “black,” and as I’d learn years later, only partially because of social preferences.
As always, follow the money.
Nostalgic on Park Avenue
BCHM/Back to Crown Heights Movement
don’t agree, 5:23. there is a very small portion like you who move to the burbs.
you are a graphic designer. that makes it easier. but there are LOTS more people who don’t have jobs like that, and can’t just pick up and move to the suburbs. especially not now when the burbs are LOSING more jobs than they are creating.
Why do you think all the young creative people across the country move to NYC each year? To find jobs! If they liked the suburbs so much and they had the jobs they wanted, they would have stayed in the first place. A job you like in the creative field is not something you give up easily to just move out to the rural suburbs and “consult” while staring out at the trees.
Some of us who continue to have the passion that we had when we first came here will have a very difficult time leaving.
gays and asians are minorities too. the former don’t even have the right to marry, yet they as groups tend to do better than their other, non-minority counterparts, if you want to speak about education and earning power.
so how can you use minority as an excuse, montrose?