Open House Picks
Fort Greene 16 Willoughby Avenue Corcoran Saturday 1-2 $1,969,000 GMAP P*Shark South Slope 216 14th Street Townsley & Gay Sunday 12-2 $1,595,000 GMAP P*Shark Prospect Lefferts Gardens 23 Chester Court Fillmore Sunday 2-4 $699,000 GMAP P*Shark Bedford Stuyvesant 263 Bainbridge Street Douglas Elliman Sunday 1-3 $609,000 GMAP P*Shark
Fort Greene
16 Willoughby Avenue
Corcoran
Saturday 1-2
$1,969,000
GMAP P*Shark
South Slope
216 14th Street
Townsley & Gay
Sunday 12-2
$1,595,000
GMAP P*Shark
Prospect Lefferts Gardens
23 Chester Court
Fillmore
Sunday 2-4
$699,000
GMAP P*Shark
Bedford Stuyvesant
263 Bainbridge Street
Douglas Elliman
Sunday 1-3
$609,000
GMAP P*Shark
The question here is specifically about the apartment buildings along the stretch of Flatbush south of Midwood street and how pleasant (or not) it is to live near them.
1:03 says: “There are clear signs the slow but sure and steady changeover to 20-something artsy professionals in those rental buildings and coop buildings is happening.” That is not at all true in the buildings we’re talking about. Those buildings are just as they were 10 years ago–section 8 residents, welfare residents, drug dealers. The noise, loiterers, and flow of drug buyers hasn’t ebbed at all. There are simply no young artsy professionals in those buildings. Living within earshot of those apartment buildings (either on the east or west side) simply isn’t a pleasant experience. Which is why anything close to Flatbush on Rutland, Chester, Fenimore, Hawthorne, etc. is a lot cheaper than other houses in the area.
Montrose: Your backhanded attempts to be holier than thou ring very hollow.
People who engage in criminal behavior only have rights to the extent that they have the right to a trial by jury. Otherwise, they have no other rights because they foreit them with their behavior.
Get off your high horse. You do not have more to lose than me. What a snotty, obnoxious thing to assume about anyone. You want to nail yourself to a cross, please do it sooner rather than later and spare the rest of us.
And while you are at it, feel free to thank the rest of us who have moved into these crappy nabes – Crown Heights included! – and made life better for people like you.
And before you show your true racist colors, I am not some yuppie white person coming in to save you. (I know that is exactly what you were thinking after reading the last paragraph since you assume that another person of color could never see the world in a way that differs from your out-dated view of the world.)
PPS and PLG are walking distance to the park, the zoo, the new ice skating rink, the Lefferts Homestead where they have free storytelling for kids, the south entrance to the Botanic Gardens, and a bit further up the Brooklyn art museum. The more Prospect Park improves what it offers on that side of the park, where they intend to spend millions of dollars, the greater appeal to families.
Thanks for the upright and generous suggestion, 11:33, but we have enough drug dealing losers here, and don’t need to import them.
I have never said that they deserve to live amongst us hard working folks, here in Crown Heights, I have just said that as any human being, they still have rights. I don’t like drug dealers any more than you do, and have more to lose in terms of personal safety than you may, from your lofty perch, wherever that may be. The difference is that I still see everyone as having legal and human rights, which should insure due process in our legal system, not outright extermination, like you would like. The law’s certainly not perfect, but it’s better than anarchy and vigilante justice.
Why? Maybe for no other reason than when you let God sort them out, it’s a bit too late for the innocent.
The Chester Court house is the only one here that intrigues me. Yes, you’re on a cul-de-sac, with all the pluses and minuses. I’m not familiar with the immediate area, but I’d say in the long run anything near a park is going to be a decent place to live. I do know the southern end of PP very well, and it’s seen a lot of development recently — for good and ill, but I think the good outweighs the ill. No reason the east side of PP won’t follow suit. Whatever you might say about PLG, the housing stock is just great.
I live in PLG and love it, but yes, some of the buildings on Flatbush are gritty. The area around this Chester Court house is not the greatest. As for safety though, the people to ask about actual crime stats, not blog rumors, are the 71st precinct. There are clear signs the slow but sure and steady changeover to 20-something artsy professionals in those rental buildings and coop buildings is happening. We’re seeing it with our own eyes; their numbers are growing on the subway platform, in the restaurants, on the sidewalks. We’ve only been here a year and we see as many as 2 or 3 times more young hip renters now as we did when we moved here. I’m just pointing it out as an observation, for those curious about those buildings. And of course it would make sense that young people are venturing into more affordable neighborhoods. There are plenty people who graduated 10-15 years ago with decent jobs who can’t afford the rent in Park Slope or Cobble Hill. Rent in those neighborhoods has just about doubled since I moved to NYC in 2004. Nuts. Don’t know how the young people do it, especially on top of huge tuition cost increases over the years. It’s why I’ve started to think this is why we’d never move to the suburbs – simply so our kids would have a free place to live when trying to get established professionally after college.
Hey 1:16: Maybe Montrose Morris can invite the drug dealing losers to his nabe, since he seems to think they have every right to co-exist with the hard working people who are trying to make a difference and improve things in Crown Heights. Then Carrie M’s delusions of a safe nabe will come true sooner rather than later.
219 (across street not next door) – is woodframe and sided house not inrenovated condition and not very attractive.
The south slope house looks expensive to recent comps; 219 14th st just next door sold for $1.15 in April of 2007. Here is the pricing history on streeteasy
Price History for 219 14th street
08/16/2006 Listed with Douglas Elliman at $1,399,999
09/06/2006 Price decreased to $1,325,000
10/13/2006 Price decreased to $1,275,000
04/17/2007 Sale closed for $1,150,000