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It’s not really our cup of tea, but someone’s obviously put a lot of effort into renovating this three-story brick townhouse at 489 16th Street in Windsor Terrace. The look is a little too “new condo trapped inside old house” for us. That said, everything’s new and the location, just a block from the park, is very nice. The house was purchased for $925,000 back in 2005 and is now asking $1,595,000. What do you make of it?
489 16th Street [Corcoran] GMAP P*Shark



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  1. but 11217 — why would that couple pay the 5K/mo to live in that apartment when they could rent the same thing for 3K/mo? The only reason, when it’s all said and done, is that they are assuming some price appreciation.

    once you take that assumption away, it’s definitely not a no-brainer to own.

  2. cwb: well, I’m more in agreement with that, except that the relevant percentile is the local population, not the American population. That’s what makes the market. No one’s selling a house in Windsor Terrace on eBay.

  3. thanks sam. is it farmed in a green way or does it actually come from the rain forest?

    Anyway, my purpose is not to be a green freak. my purpose is to bash The Toren, which is a “green” building promoting brazilian hardwood floors in every apartment. I thought it would be funny if they were displacing cute little rainforest critters in the process of saving the environment.

  4. 11217 –

    I honestly don’t know a single person in their 20’s or 30’s who lives in this city and pays that much for an apartment by themselves.

    When I was single, I paid $1500/month for a studio in the UES, and that damn near killed me. When my wife moved in with me, we upgraded to a $3100/month 2 BR.

    Everyone I know who’s living in a pad that costs more than $2k/month is sharing it with someone else.

    Sam –

    “To get wood you have to chop trees down. No getting around that.”

    True … but some trees are more sustainable and less ecologically damaging to harvest than others.

  5. 11217….you’re absolutely right. The bigger problem for most people is amassing the 20% downpayment which, in your calculation, is $319,000 plus another $20k or so for closing costs.

    I think that’s the biggest hurdle most people face. As you and I and many of the others know, after that its better to own than to rent!!!!

  6. The word “Brazilian” probably means it comes from Mexico; or Paraguay. This is a tropical hardwood. very attractive.
    You can get it in solid planks or “engineered” planks. To get wood you have to chop trees down. No getting around that.

  7. Just to run a few numbers, assuming this sells for asking price (it won’t) and 20% down, the monthly payment is $7400 a month.

    I’m going to guess and say the rental might be $1800 a month…for a one bedroom plus den…? Maybe someone in the area knows better than I would…

    That leaves $5600 a month. I don’t know about you all, but I know TONS of people in this city in their 20’s and 30’s who are paying $2500 a month (or MORE) for a one bedroom rental in Manhattan. Keep in mind that the AVERAGE one bedroom, doorman rental in Manhattan is $3200 a month. Shocking, but true.

    Two people get married, and bam….that’s a dual income which can support a property like this one.

  8. basementalist – I’m not saying that a starbucks barista should be able to afford a house in windsor terrace. However, a couple who both command low six figures a year and have no debt probably should. That’s the 98 or 99th percentile for American incomes.

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