PACC is Wack
The future of the Bodegas space on the corner of Clinton and Fulton is of great concern to everyone we know in the neighborhood. Since the restaurant closed at the beginning of the year (in a domino effect caused by money problems and nasty landlords at Liquors), the rumors have been flying. The space is…
The future of the Bodegas space on the corner of Clinton and Fulton is of great concern to everyone we know in the neighborhood. Since the restaurant closed at the beginning of the year (in a domino effect caused by money problems and nasty landlords at Liquors), the rumors have been flying. The space is of particular importance because of its location at the gateway to Clinton Hill on a commercial stretch of road that has been crying out for improvement for years. So it was disbelief that we heard recently that the Pratt Area Community Council (which owns the building) took time out from destroying the aesthetics of the historic neighborhood to turn down an offer from a successful local business owner who wanted to open a wine bar in the space. And for what? PACC told this business owner that it had done a survey that showed residents wanted an Applebees! Yeah, right. This weekend, Clinton Hill Blog reported a rumor that PACC had recently shown the space to North Fork Bank. At least the nabe does need a bank (more than an Applebees), but, geez, turning down someone with a proven track record who wants to put an upscale establishment in this crappy stretch of Fulton? If the organization takes the credit of low-income renters and buyers, surely it can rent to a local business.
Store Rumors [Clinton Hill Blog]
Future of Bodegas & Liquors Thrown Into Question [Brownstoner]
Corner of Clinton and Fulton Up for Grabs [Brooklyn Record]
“But 1:14, PACC is a non-profit whose purpose is to create non-market-rate housing so the profit-maximizing-at-all-costs defense doesn’t really hold water.”
Wow, not too bright, are you? How do you create affordable housing? Either have the government subside it (kiss your taxes goodbye) or have a portion of the tenants subside the others. Have a revenue generating retail space is a win-win. Give the consumers what they want.
I hope it will be an Applebees.
But 1:14, PACC is a non-profit whose purpose is to create non-market-rate housing so the profit-maximizing-at-all-costs defense doesn’t really hold water.
Yes, we are just talking. People who live in the neighborhood are entitled to opinions about retail services, that is what this started out to be before nasties moved in. But now since PACC is saying something in it’s confused syntax — I think that they WEREN’T talking to Applebees — who cares about this venom soup thread. I think I might be finished with Brownstoner for a while. Yech. I wish we could sign in; most of these vicious, hateful losers would be ashamed to sign their name to their posts, or would they?
Anon @ 11:53 seems to have it right! – The way it works is that the LL owns the building – he rents to the store that will maximize his return (could mean the highest initial rent or could mean the ‘best’ tenant – up to LL);
the store will sell its goods to maximize its profits – if its popular it will stay in biz, if its not, it will fold, and so on and so on….
Clearly chain restaurants are popular – Applebees, Fridays, Dallas BBQ etc… all are packed with people, so to say they arent needed or wanted is beyond stupid. Whether this location is approriate for these type of restaurants isnt totally none of the Govt biz.
And BTW other than having fewer locations – how does Junior’s really differ from any of these chain restaurants and if it doesn’t then why not an anti-Juniors movement?
My white neighbor on one side has lived in Clinton Hill for sixty years. My black neighbor on the other side has lived here for twelve. According to some people’s logic, the white neighbor’s opinion about what the neighborhood needs has more value. According to another prevailing point of view, it doesn’t matter how long you’ve lived in Clinton Hill unless you’re black, because Clinton Hill ‘belongs’ to black people. Both of these arguments are utter nonsense. If you live in a neighborhood you have a right to care about what development goes on there. You have a right to be part of discussions about it with your other neighbors. You have a right to lobby for what you feel the neighborhood needs. Nobody is imposing anything on anybody. We’re just talking!
The community are the people who live there. All this nonsense about “people coming in” – there weren’t any projects there 60 years ago, it hardly makes the people who live in projects interlopers. There seems to be an odd idea of some “static” community.
I was referring to new people moving into a neighborhood and changing it to fit their domographic’s whims, and the neighborhood consequently losing the same identity that originally brought newbies in. This isn’t just about Applebees.
“>Keep it up, and Clinton Hill will suffer the same fate.
But yet an Applebee’s will keep Clinton Hill Clinton Hill? Nonsense.
This isn’t far from that moron Marty’s deciding that what people want is a Cracker Barrel.”
The race baiting is absurd. Applebees are popular in lilly white towns too and I’m assuming the people claiming that they are so welcoming to African Americans know that they have had to settle several race harrasment and discrimination suits.
They also had to settle a suit for slipping some alcohol in a child’s apple juice in the hopes of shutting him up. So welcoming to children too!
>Keep it up, and Clinton Hill will suffer the same fate.
But yet an Applebee’s will keep Clinton Hill Clinton Hill? Nonsense.
This isn’t far from that moron Marty’s deciding that what people want is a Cracker Barrel.
9.37 anon:
I’m not quite sure what you mean. If you mean inextricably linked, I don’t agree. Clearly, to stick to b+w, there are plenty of black middle class and white working class.