Inside Third & Bond: Week 73
The blogging team from Hudson Companies today tackles the, um, hairy problem of crafting a dog policy for the condo. Above, a photo of the work site. We’ve often found that once a condo project is complete, the units are occupied and the punch lists are performed, the first thing condo owners and board members…

The blogging team from Hudson Companies today tackles the, um, hairy problem of crafting a dog policy for the condo. Above, a photo of the work site.
We’ve often found that once a condo project is complete, the units are occupied and the punch lists are performed, the first thing condo owners and board members argue about is….the condo’s dog policy. We’ve seen board members almost come to blows regarding whether dogs should be allowed to access the building’s rear yard. We’ve seen DNA tests performed to determine if a dog was really a Pit Bull. And we’ve seen doggie character references submitted from prior neighbors. Since we’re finalizing the offering plan for Third + Bond which codifies the house rules, we thought we should re-review our dog policy and see if we’ve learned anything from all these previous dogfights.
Should we prohibit certain breeds or are we just a bunch of canine stereotypers?
In prior offering plans, we’ve said the following: Under no circumstances will ‘Pit Bulls’ be permitted in any portion of the Buildings…
A ‘Pit Bull’ is defined as any dog that is an American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, or any dog displaying a majority of the physical traits of any one (1) or more of the above breeds, or any dog exhibiting those distinguishing characteristics which substantially conform to the standards established by the American Kennel Club. Many people are uncomfortable with the idea of living next to a Pit Bull. However, we’re always criticized for this provision. Why are we picking on Pit Bulls, what about Dobermans? My Pit Bull is wonderful, would you like to meet him? Pit Bulls are known for fighting other dogs, you should be prohibiting dogs that fight human beings, like German Shepherds. Helen Keller had a Pit Bull and so does Ira Glass! Usually at this point, we say, we just want to make sure your roof doesn’t leak, y’all decide which dogs you want to prohibit.
Should we control the number of dogs in a Unit?
In prior offering plans, we’ve limited the number of pets to 2. But 2 Chihuahuas take up a lot less space in the common areas than 2 sheep dogs. And we don’t want to discourage Mickey Rourke from buying at Third + Bond. And then we start thinking, why are we doing this? We’re in the business of selling condos, why are we limiting our buyer pool with these rules. We’re driving all those 3 and 4 dog affluent families to the competition.
Should we limit the size or weight of the dog?
One colleague suggested we limit dogs to those under 25 lbs, partly to eliminate the larger breeds that tend to be scarier to neighbors like Pit Bulls and Rottweilers without naming them. But aren’t Golden Retrievers heavier than 25 lbs? Another colleague suggested we require muzzles for all dogs over 25 lbs, at which point our colleague Alan said, I would never put a muzzle on my Vizsla, are you kidding?
Should we provide the condo board with the right to enforce good dog behavior?
For instance, in prior house rules, we’ve written: The Board shall have the right to require muzzles on any dog in the Common Element that has exhibited aggressive behavior. However, that can create a whole new assortment of issues, for instance, then having to monitor when the dog does or does not wear the muzzle.
Finally, we discussed, should the board through its managing agent approve of dogs on a case by case basis, as landlords often do with tenants? However, we decided that would place too much of a burden on the property manager to approve or disapprove dogs without strict criteria, and it’s awfully difficult to look a dog owner in the eye and say, best of luck somewhere else.
So where have we ended up? Limit of 2 dogs. No Pit Bulls. The Board has the right to require a muzzle. And when your pet passes away, you have to wear a photo of the dog on your necklace.
Inside Third & Bond: Weeks 1-72 [Brownstoner]
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From our lawyers: This is not an offering. No offering can be made until an offering plan is filed with the Department of Law of the State of New York.”
do you really have pigs? hahah that’s cool. do they live inside with you?
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What about pigs? Seriously, there are a few in Brooklyn, it could come up. I own two; they are fantastic pets, they don’t bark, they don’t shed, they don’t smell and they are smarter than dogs but they do have a stigma that makes a lot of people disgusted at the idea.
I only bring it up because I think you cannot start writing in these kinds of policies unless you wanted to run the full gamut of possibilities. As the original posting said, “we just want to make sure your roof doesn’t leak, y’all decide which dogs you want to prohibit”.
Yeah – the under 25 pound thing never made sense to me. I’ve got a tiny dog in the apt next door to mine and it’s the loudest yappiest dog out there. I would much rather live next door to a 25+ lb lab or golden retriever. At the end of the day, why not just make sure that your demising walls are soundproof enough that neighbors won’t hear eachother’s noise (including dogs and Rob porn-star neighbros) and then this issue goes away…
Rob – this is what developing a project is like. It’s hundreds of inter-related mini topics. Some are interesting, some are passable, some are tedious and boring. The point of this whoel “third & bond ” thing is to show exactly that. It’s not all sexy sales offices, granite countertops and million dollar prices…
Dog bigotry. It’s not very nice! I’ve been chased by pitbulls more times than I care to remember, but I don’t think that banning them is appropriate. Why not just create and **enforce** a rule that any pets, when in any common space, must be on a short leash?
I’d rather live next to a huge horse-like dog that woofs occasionally than one of those little palm sized bitches that yap for hours on end and for no reason at all. And, for what it’s worth, my cat makes more noise than any large dog I’ve ever come across. (she NEVER shuts up)
oh yeah i always see the cats and dogs fine but no dogs over 25 pounds. and yeah small dogs are actually the loudest because they generally will bark at anything (tho ill be honest my dog is a barker too) but my upstairs neighbors can’t complain because they are extremely loud when they make love. for hours on end! (he really only barks tho if someone rings the bell) but there are squirrels that trot along the alley near our windows that like to tease him, he’ll bark at the them. sorry to hijack this thread that wasn’t my intention. but it’s like this third and bond thread really cant be about the process itself, can it? it’s been going on for 79 weeks. so each week is a different little mini topic?
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i didn’t rescue him from an abusive home, i rescued him from having to go to a pound because the owner couldnt take care of him. at the time i just wanted dog, as long as it wasnt a poodle or a lab, or worse a labradoodle, i was fine. oh funny story, me and my ex were looking at an apt one time and the owners who lived upstairs were showing it and this little girl walks in (their daughter) and was like can i show you my labradoodle!? we ran out. literally.
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Seriously, a lot of buildings put in a size constraint on dogs which is totally ridiculous. The larger breeds always seem more quiet and friendly than all those yappy little things.
You need to insitute a policy where if there are violations of rules concerning dogs and an occupant gets several notices of such, then they should be forced to get rid of the dog or be severely fined. Those things rarely work however because some people will complain because they have nothing better to do, like most New Yorkers.
Whenever I see someone with a Pit Bull i automatically think that he’s gotta be making up for lacking somewhere else.
Your experience with rescue is a different story, rob.
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Many people are uncomfortable with the idea of living next to a Pit Bull.
and oh yeah that’s why that house on 1st street wont sell. ha. seriously, finish your condo project instead of blogging about evil pitbulls. you might actually finish it before the next millenium. grrr i hate this issue
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