Toren: Naked No Longer
Wowza! Downtown’s Toren is not only rising at lightning speed—now at 32 of its 38 stories—it’s also started showing its face to the world. The 110 Livingston blog has some shots via Wired NY of some curtain wall that’s been installed at the SOM-designed condo (one of our advertisers). According to the Toren website, the…

Wowza! Downtown’s Toren is not only rising at lightning speed—now at 32 of its 38 stories—it’s also started showing its face to the world. The 110 Livingston blog has some shots via Wired NY of some curtain wall that’s been installed at the SOM-designed condo (one of our advertisers). According to the Toren website, the building’s skin was manufactured in Buenos Aires.
New Flatbush Ave. Rising; Toren Condos Getting Clad [110 Livingston]
Toren [Wired NY] GMAP
or move to CT. well said JM.
Boy Genius.
I have lived in Brooklyn Heights, considered by many to be the most affluent part of Brooklyn, for 26 years across the street from the only public elementary school in the neighborhood PS 8. This school has only begun to improve over the last 5 years primarily due to an excellent principal. Brooklyn Heights doesn’t even have a public middle school.
You make it sound like this problem with finding a decent public school will be unique to the Flatbush corridor? Where have you been?
At least there are excellent private schools nearby, which can’t be said for other parts of the city. As you mentioned earlier, Packer Collegiate Institute, St. Ann’s are two of the finest in NYC plus Fantis Parochial School on 195 State, Berkelely Carroll School, Brooklyn Friends School on 375 Pearl. St Francis Xavier School, Brooklyn Heights Montessori School. One of the best public high schools in the city is down the block, Brooklyn Tech.
Where do all the children in Boerum Hill, Cobble Hill etc send their kids? You can ask that question for just about any locale.
The fact is, those families that are moving into the high rise corridor of Flatbush will probably have more than enough resources to take care of their kids education. Have you checked to see what a 2 bedroom cost in any of these buildings?
Ideally, it would be great if the neighborhood public school can have a great mixture of socio-economic groups of children of different races. It took forever for that to happen here in the Heights and it still is a work in progress.
In conclusion, your concern for the children of the corridor is misplaced, they will have no problem getting the education they need. If you really are concerned about where the next generation will be educated, offer your time and money to an inner city school where many of the families are broken and financial resources are limited.
9.50,
Go to the NYC department of education website, and you can find all the information you’re looking for.
I think NYC in general suffers from a shortage of good public schools – as always, parents who can’t afford prive school will send their kids to public school, and may parents who can afford private school will PROBABLY send their kids to private school (and there are plenty of very good private schools in Brooklyn).
Dear 2:10.
So, the children in these new buildings will be zoned for which public schools exactly?
Are those schools named, are they even mentioned, and their levels of achievement highlighted in the buildings’ marketing campaigns?
That’s my point. Or, are only singles and dual-income no-kid households going to reside in the new “corridor”? And, if not, where are they going to send their children to be educated?
Just wondering if prospective buyers think the public schools in the area will handle their needs, suddenly improve, or if some new spots will miraculously materialize in private schools that have no room and that cost $25,000 per annum in any event.
Nice work on lot information, BrooklynLove, appreciate it.
Yea, a Cipriani is exactly what I had in mind. Check out the pictures below of what it looks like:
http://www.cipriani.com/cipriani/Locs/42main.htm
and compare it to the possibilities of the Dime Savings Bank:
http://www.forgotten-ny.com/NEIGHBORHOODS/albee/albee.html
Once new condo residents populate Albee Square area plus residents from Heights, DUMBO, Cobble Hill, Boerum Hill, Fort Greene, Park Slope, Vinegar Hill, and Carroll Gardens, this space could be the centerpiece of the good life. Yes, $10 Amstel’s maybe even $12. (Need to charge premium dollars for premium space. Williamsburg Bank space is asking $2 million for a year’s lease.)
You know Marty appreciates a good meal and we could surely twist his arm to kick off opening night with one of his “Brooklyn is the greatest” speeches.
If I only had the money. What better name for the establishment than “BrooklynLove”. Very appropriate.
Take care and keep up your informative posting here and everywhere else.
The photo was not placed on Wired New York anonymously. The photo credit goes to BrooklynRider. I’m surprised that basic courtesy of credit was not given. Do I have to watermark photos to have the effort recognized?
JM – if i had the capital to spare i’d love to get in on a new dining establishment somewhere along fulton mall between livingston and willoughby. something swank that charges 10 dollars for an amstel. you get the idea.
the thing about retail banks – it’s all about brand exposure. the same motivation drives a bank to lease that beautiful DSB building space as does citi to pay for naming rights at shea. unforunately i don’t think that we’ll be seeing wamu leave that space for a long time. but yeah it would be great to see something like capitale (bowery savings bank) come in there.
i did a little more poking around re the square block next to toren. looks like two seperate LLCs have gradually acquired all but the nyc transit building lot next to the car wash and the girls and boys home lot @ crnr of fleet and willoughby – one LLC now owns the car wash and the adjacent parcel to the east, the other LLC owns everything else. so walking around the block starting at the nyc transit building and heading SE, LLC 1 owns the first 2 lots, then you have the girls/boys home, then LLC 2 owns everything else all the way around until you get back to the nyc transit building. the car wash sold in 2007 so this still looks to be a work in progress. it would seem that one of the two LLCs would make a play for the girls/boys home lot as well. i’d give these buildings 5 years more, mas o menos.
“Build it and they will come.”
Logically, don’t you think an enterprising entrepreneur is envisioning capital opportunities in this area? I can assure you that even if Red Apple Development didn’t decide to build a grocery store and Duane Reade on Myrtle/Ashland in his first development someone else would have filled the gap.
Personally I use Fresh Direct. You can bet that between all these new condo developments there will be cleaners, specialty food outlets, and restaurants looking to gain a foothold.
Doesn’t take too much imagination to realize that all the new hotels will have restaurants on their premises.. New hotels are Sheraton, Hotel Indigo, Aloft, Marriott, Hilton etc. all within a block radius from the Toren. Do you think that City Point, across the street, will have a restaurant or two or three to serve the projected tallest building in Brooklyn.
BrooklynLove, how about partnering up with me and us leasing up the space under the Dime Dome, now wasted as a retail bank under the soon to be bought out Washington Mutual. You know the neighborhood as well as anybody, can’t you see this space serving as a high end restaurant drinking establishment. It is an incredible space wasted as a banking facility. People don’t appreciate the surrounding when they go here to transact business but to sit there and have a meal and a few drinks with clients under that gorgeous dome would be a transcending experience. I project a one of a kind restaurant there in a few years.
Can you imagine for a second the disposable income that will be concentrated in this area in 3 years?
Oro, Oro II, Toren, City Point, BelTell, Avalon Bay, FlatIron, 235 Gold, 168 Nassau, 80 DeKalb, 384 Bridge, University Condos, NYU. LIU campuses, MetroTech and more.
Don’t you think this population will attract retail?
By the way, I stand corrected by putting so much emphasis on the S.O.M. brand, I worked with a few idiots from Harvard which should have taught me a long time ago not to generalize though I do like what i see so far. Hopefully the Toren will meet up with my expectations.
12.45, presumably the zoning will the same as for Oro:
Community District 302
City Council District 35
Police Precinct 84
Your rant doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, to be perfectly honest…