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With an end finally in sight for the infrastructure and repaving work that has plagued the already-down-on-its-luck stretch of Fulton Street in Clinton Hill, momentum is building for a new Business Improvement District to help improve the quality of life and retailing environment. There’s a meeting tonight at the Fort Greene Senior Citizens Council, 966 Fulton Street (between St. James Place and Grand Avenue) at 6:30 p.m. tonight hosted by Council Member Letitia James. Update: Thanks to cobblehller for providing this link to information on the proposed BID. Importantly, the site states that the BID is to cover the entire stretch of Fulton from Flatbush to Classon as well as some side streets.


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  1. ENY: You still failed to answer my quesiton. Questioning my spelling is a lame attempt to avoid me. I have been to teh location in quesiton. You just don’t like the answer. You know nothing about this area. You just can’t admit it. Sad, sad, sad.

    t’What: I have spent the bulk of my life in Brooklyn. The least amnount of time living in Manhattan. I have always worked in Manhattan. You are, as always, wrong.

    CH’er: You implied that “we” have money or our parents have money and that this is not our problem. You, like ENY, are totally off base and really don’t know what you are talking about.

    g man actually summarized the issue nicely. Thank you, g man.

  2. just to be clear- i was neither confirming or denying what was written in the flier- it was not something that i wrote- simply received- questions were asked about the objections- and i was passing them on.

  3. “The fact that you two (what and cobblehiller) don’t get that indicates that you never were and will ever be part of the solution.”

    As long time residents and taxpayers, we are, in fact, part of the solution. I have stayed in my neighborhood and shopped in the local stores purposefully to support them, and have volunteered for and donated to various community efforts. I pay a hefty sum to be here mainly because I have lived here for over 40 years, and I intend to be here for as long as possible. I’ve also supported many businesses in the Clinton Hill and Fort Greene area for many years. My taxes, despite having no children, help pay for schools and many other services in this area.

    Your insults prove your basic inability to be civil and hold an informed conversation. I’ve said nothing insulting to you and yet insult me. g_man is correct. There needs to be more information, conversation and less bickering on this site.

    Go curl up with some dinner, a relaxing drink and take it easy 11233.

    And ooh, Jeopardy is on!

  4. PACC cannot collect the BID assessments. They are collected by NYC Dept of Finance along with real estate taxes. The assessment can be passed along by the landlord to the tenant, if the tenant’s (commercial) lease allows the pass through of assessments, which is typical.

    BIDs do not necessarily gentrify an area, but they do contribute to clean and safe streets and provide enhanced marketing opportunities, which can increase the shopper base. I can think of a number of small Brooklyn BIDs that have not become engines of gentrification.

    If there are $2.7 million in physical improvements coming- that would be in a commitment of NYC capital dollars- which can be committed to a BID. The City (EDC) generally oversees the construction- which usually consist of lighting, street furniture and trees. Ongoing maintenance is usually performed by the BID, except for lighting which is usually maintained by DOT, except for custom lighting outside the City standards.

  5. “I already answered your question. ENY: YOU answwer MY quesiton. How do you know otherwise? Stop trying to avoid the question.”

    I can read well enough to know you’re a poor speller. And despite your claim, you never did answer my question, and I think I know why: your information is about as reliable as your spelling.

  6. Hmm, facts … on Brownstoner? Can’t we just attack each other? As to filmmer’s post:

    The geographic boundaries sound right. Homeowners are only charged $1 and the residential area mentioned was included so there would not have to be two BIDs; one to the east and another to the west. Based on the assessment formula, which varies from BID to BID, larger and corner stores generally pay more, so those reported assessments might be accurate. All true, so far, I think.

    I do not think that PACC takes a cut off the top. However, the district management staff may be people currently working at PACC and a portion of their salaries may end up being paid from the assessment. Sweeping by Doe Fund employees doesn’t stop the city from writing tickets, but it does decrease the liklihood of getting one. (A shop-keeper might want to ask, ‘how much do I spend on staff sweeping and tickets each year, versus the BID assessment.’) The BID does not have the power to borrow money, so it cannot spend more than it takes in; the allegation about $2,700,000 in debt is pure hogwash. The “improvements” and “enhancements,” btw, are intended to increase revenue, so that shop-keepers realize a financial benefit from being in a BID. Arguably, the businesses at the eastern end of the BID would benefit more from joint advertising and the like.

    An individual store’s assessment can go up annually if the formula is based in part on the property assessment. However, the BID (if approved) is only authorized to collect $300,000 per year, so who pays more and who pays less gets adjusted but the total budget remains the same. So this statement is mostly false.

  7. The fact that you two (what and cobblehiller) don’t get that indicates that you never were and will ever be part of the solution. But feel free to ride our coattails as the community makes things nicer for idiots like you.

    And get rid of us..

    East New York be very careful fighting the Asshats. They have the power of Greed and Delusion on their side.

    “I have lived in NYC all my life, including stints in 4 of the 5 boros. Never lived in Staten Island.”

    No 11233 you lived on Manhattan all your life. Now you live in the Ghetto!

    “Also, What, my favorite coffee shop (Outpost) is on the stretch of Fulton that you describe as being doomed to failure. Hopefully the very thriving nature of their business will show people that you can do well on that stretch.”

    I will get the Outpost 2 years and goodbye…

    “And good to see ROTW and cobllehiller keeping quiet. You morons don’t know anything either.”

    Naw Baby, you see you are a “keyboard warrior” just like Dave, Biff, THL and BRG! Don’t worry 2009 is coming…

    The What

    Someday this war is gonna end…

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