Tenant wants lead testing.

She said pediatrician tested her toddler for lead and she has level above the treshhold.
Now… we do not have anything that we did not touch in this apartment for 20 years.
Floors throughout the apartment is new oak about 12 years old, all new windows with new frames and windowsills, some replaced twice, wood trims were sanded,
stripped in some places, floor basedboards sanded or replaced and painted..
Kitchen was moved with an architect permit, original room taken to the studs, new kitchen – almost everything, and tiled over.
Bathrooms were taken to the brick, all pipes replaced, wonderboarded and tiled, new watermain…
Ceiling – we have original only in 2 rooms, one – painted over tin and one – plaster.
The rest was replaced with sheetrock or laminated with sheetrock.
Walls – either were skimcoated in 2 larger rooms, or sheetrocked.
We had 5 families in this apartment, naturally, we renovate and paint each time. We do not like paint caked over, so, patches and all woodwork was lightly sanded before new coat of paint.

so, everything was painted over at least 5 times .

I am at loss: what could be wrong. Thinking about it – we have nothing to worry about. We raised our child in apartment below, and it was much less renovated while our child was a toddler. We did lead testing on her too, and it was normal.
We had many toddlers in the apartment I was describing. 6 toddlers to be exact. Never had we face this problem.
Still I am scared to death now.

lucie

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lucie | 2 years and 2 months ago

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lucie | 2 years and 2 months ago

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Last Saturday we went to this apartment with xrf report in hand.
Report indicated that all the paint is intact but
we took original drawers from original built-in that read positive (2) and replaced faces and pulls ( we did not have time to strip original pulls but we found almost identical reproduction very reasonable online , I can share the source, if you are interested, it is an American, not overseas).
We just checked to make sure that indeed all surfaces that read positive did not have any cracks and de

lucie | 2 years and 2 months ago

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Guest User | 2 years and 3 months ago

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NYC often makes the landlord out to be the one and only bad guy / fall guy. This is a prime example

lucie | 2 years and 3 months ago

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I was thinking about this doctor…
He/She simply recommended tenants to have apartment tested after the first pricks test.
Considering such a small reading, 3.8, that could be a mistake and gotten from everywhere vs high reading that most probably indicates permanent exposure
( high chance is that permanent exposure is from home).

Just by default to recommend to put a blame at the apartment…
And to make landlords to go through hell.
However…
https://www.cdc.gov/nceh/lead/advisory/acclpp/actions-blls.htm spells clear:
” Initial Screening Blood Lead Level
Healthcare providers may use a capillary or venous sample for initial BLL screening.
If the capillary results are equal to or greater than CDC’s Blood Lead Reference Value (BLRV), [b] providers should collect a venous sample [/b]. If a venous sample was taken during the initial screening test, skip to Confirmed Venous Blood Lead Level. ”

Also, there is a link of 55% false positive research for prick test:

https://journals.lww.com/jphmp/Abstract/2019/01001/Screening_for_Elevated_Blood_Lead_Levels_.8.aspx#:~:text= Blood%20lead%20tests%20on%20capillary%20samples%20are%20a%20useful%20screening,result%20on%20a%20capillary%20sample.

Well, I collected all this information, it could be helpful if ( god forbid) anybody else needs this.

lucie | 2 years and 3 months ago

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Also, there is a link of 55% false positive research for prick test:

Well, I collected all this information, it could be helpful if ( god forbid) anybody else needs this.

justinromeu26 | 2 years and 3 months ago

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More education is needed for all of us.

wfrxmhzynkiopcra | 2 years and 3 months ago

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I can’t believe that the doctors would freak the parents out so much and for so long on an inaccurate test like that. You’d think that they would push to do the blood test and get back the results asap instead of leaving everyone in limbo for 2 weeks.

wfrxmhzynkiopcra | 2 years and 3 months ago

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cate | 2 years and 3 months ago

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Strange indeed. Do please keep us posted.

lucie | 2 years and 3 months ago

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It is more the accuracy of technology.
I think inspector did a good job.

But I am doing a review (data science is in my blood) and a couple of things jumps out.
while avg lead level is 1.3 on all “positive” except of one room,
this room is 11+ avg
and all was painted/renovated at the same time and in the same manner.

I found this: http://m.tri-techtesting.com/?url=http://www%2Etri%2Dtechtesting%2Ecom%2Fare%2Dyou%2Dsure%2Dyou%2Dhave%2Dlead%2Dpaint%2D%2Ehtml#2900

I am going to inspect several things in person this Saturday
and if it is sounds of some interest for this Forum
I can post on this topic more.

The thread is already long as is but hopefully useful.

lucie | 2 years and 3 months ago

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It is more the accuracy of technology.
I think inspector did a good job.

I found this: http://m.tri-techtesting.com/?url=http://www%2Etri%2Dtechtesting%2Ecom%2Fare%2Dyou%2Dsure%2Dyou%2Dhave%2Dlead%2Dpaint%2D%2Ehtml#2900

I am going to inspect several things in person this Saturday
and if it is sounds of some interest for this Forum
I can post on this topic more.

The thread is already long as is but hopefully useful.

RobertGMarvin

in General Discussion 2 years and 3 months ago

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You certainly have ample grounds to question their accuracy!

lucie | 2 years and 3 months ago

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Well, there is a very strange update.
We got XFR report as a first part of the report.
It has a table what shows location ( like wall A, B,C,D, window, door, etc.), reading result ( positive/negative), reading number and paint condition.
Paint condition is Intact everywhere.
but some positive results are really-really strange.

For example: we have sheetrock ceiling in 4 rooms.
One of them has reading 12 (!). It is sheetrock, I was there during the replacement.

( leak from skylight – we replaced adjoining ceilings: this one and next room, the kitchen, both rooms are near the skylight).

Both ceilings were replaced completely at the same time, plaster removed, sheetrock installed, primed, painted, sheetrock was from home depot, as always.
One ceiling is positive with 0.3, another is… 12!

Also, there is a built in in the bathroom. It is made to look like original, but it was built after 2014. First we made a built in in the bathroom below ( our own) in 2013, and we used doors salvaged from the hallway built -in from our apartment.

This cabinet turned out so nice and convenient that we decided to built similar for our tenants to boost storage. And later we did.
But we did not have any more salvaged doors! All the wood for both apartments were bought in home depot. Our contractor created replicas of the doors similar to ours.
All from new wood. I even probably have a picture of the same bathroom without this built-in from earlier ads.

Long story ends up with xrf reading on positive 0.6 for that cabinet.
We did use replicas of historical more ornamental hinges, but also brand new…

The rest of the bathroom is negative ( bathroom was gutted in 2004 by us).

I wonder how accurate those reports are.

lucie | 2 years and 3 months ago

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For example: we have sheetrock ceiling in 4 rooms.
One of them has reading 12 (!). It is sheetrock, I was there during the replacement.

( leak from skylight – we replaced adjoining ceilings: this one and next room, the kitchen, both rooms are near the skylight).

Long story ends up with xrf reading on positive 0.6 for that cabinet.
We did use replicas of historical more ornamental hinges, but also brand new…

The rest of the bathroom is negative ( bathroom was gutted in 2004 by us).

I wonder how accurate those reports are.

justinromeu26 | 2 years and 3 months ago

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In hindsight, do not react on a finger prick blood test. I bet the city had not even sent a letter out to them yet and the tenant went nuts and pulled the op and us into that.

cate | 2 years and 3 months ago

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Wow. What a twist. I’m happy to hear the child is healthy and you are blameless.

RobertGMarvin

in General Discussion 2 years and 3 months ago

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Probably best to not give ANY reason for turning a tenant down.

lucie | 2 years and 3 months ago

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Also, I read that some CDC officials were against lowering the threshold to 3.5 and putting additional restrictions linked to this theshold.
While any level of lead is dangerous, the reasoning was that the system is overwhelmed as is and the resources should be directed in curing cases where kids have lead level 10+ which are still plenty.

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