Security Gate lock hardware recommendations

We are replacing our under-stoop gate and I’ve gotten stuck looking for lock hardware options. Our current one has the pretty common Marks mortise lock. It works fine but we have a few issues with it.

The door knobs are hollow and very cheap and I haven’t been able to find higher quality ones that hold up well.

We’d prefer a cylindrical lock so we can potentially add a smart lock down the road.

I’d love to know what locksets others are using and how they like them.

thanks

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justinromeu26 | 2 years and 3 months ago

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on regular mortise sets, the spindle size determines the knobs. the rossette and knobs should work as a set but a lot of them can be switched around. most modern locks all seem to take the same size spindles (say baldwin or marks – i think 1/4″ x 20 tpi. split spindle. baldwin’s stuff for their knobs is unthreaded but the threaded spindles will fit).

i have not ordered or handled a thru bolted unit in years but i seem to recall that the lock body was the same and that you can move between thru bolted or regular spindle.

the problem with the through bolted is that on a very thin door the female thread parts stick out to hold the screws and if the door is really thin you can not tighten it up.

i am a retailer of a lot of this but i do not have a store front and i don’t keep a lot of stock around.

arewedoneyet | 2 years and 3 months ago

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I agree that the thru bolted door knobs are awful – I haven’t found any good ones and when I replace this thing I want to make sure I don’t have thru bolted. Does the lock determine which kind of knobs or is the way that the lock is installed?

thanks again

justinromeu26 | 2 years and 3 months ago

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so i NEVER deal with thru bolted door knobs. they are limiting.

i am thinking Progressive 3600 or 2400. those are solid brass knobs. But, progessive 2600 is a cheap, hollow set that is still a tad better than some of the really cheap stuff we see in corner hardware stores. i think the cheap stuff is made by Ultra Hardware.

arewedoneyet | 2 years and 3 months ago

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Piscopo will do a thicker enclosure for a tubular – i’m trying to decide if it’s worthwhile. My wife wants a smart lock and they’re pretty much all designed for the tubulars. Maybe the best answer is a Marks or similar mortise lock and a smart lock exclusively on the bolt.

Are you talking about this from Progressive #K6220 Thru-bolted knob/rose assembly? Have you tried them?

Thanks very much, it’s a little hard to make sense of the options and neither the locksmiths nor the ironworkers seem to have much insight into options beyond their normal go-to solutions.

justinromeu26 | 2 years and 3 months ago

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Progressive Hardware makes a heavy duty ball knob. they wholesale for like $36 a pair. not sure on retail. their regular duty brass knobs are also not that bad and i think wholesale for like 22 a pair.

justinromeu26 | 2 years and 3 months ago

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I can get you the names of better make door knobs for a mortise.

justinromeu26 | 2 years and 3 months ago

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So the mortise pocket and tubular bore are different from the get go and at 1.25″ thick these gates made for mortise pockets are not thick enough for tubular. It means a lot of shimming. I retrofit one for a smart lock at the start of covid and shimmed it with finish 1/4″ marine ply on each side.

As you plan this see if the gate makers will make a gate thick enough for the tubular. I am yet to see one.