Screened-in back yard deck options and costs?

I’ve researched sun/screen room extensions and prefab screen houses in my quest to have a respite from the unstoppable Brooklyn mosquitoes. How about a screened-in back deck? I haven’t much evidence of them existing, but it seems like a relatively low-cost possibility.
I live on the first floor of a 19′-wide, 3-unit building that I own on a deep lot. Currently there are three steps down to the yard from my bedroom. The yard has a layer of concrete that I’d hope to be building on top of (deeper in the yard are areas with dirt, half-dead grass, and plants). There is currently a dryer exhaust under the the rear steps and a mostly-shut opening but no window that leads to the mech room.
Is something like this possible and, if so, what kind of costs would I be looking at? I’ve seen recommendations here for Lopopolo and Sketch & Hammer. Anyone else I should be looking at to build this? And would I have to file? I know most folks with decks build to code but don’t bother filing.
Thanks!

zoddie

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zoddie | 8 years and 6 months ago

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Are there building regulations for a stand-alone, but permanent (screened-in) deck like there are with attached decks or additions such as distance from neighbors or building materials? Anyone have an idea what something like that would cost?

patrickburnsjr | 8 years and 6 months ago

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Bob Marvin is right about NYFD permitting the use of propane gas grills on decks in back yards if you are a legal 1-2 Family CO, but not if you are a 3-Family/Multiple Dwelling.

BobMarvin | 8 years and 6 months ago

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Actually, they may be legal in one and two family houses:

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/buildings/homeowner/barbecues.page

bliz | 8 years and 6 months ago

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Zoddie, have you ever seen a shed in a back yard? Backyard sheds are everywhere in Brooklyn. What you’re wondering about is basically the same thing, except with screened walls instead of wood ones, like a screened in gazebo. Just don’t connect it to your house (similar to a backyard shed).

BobMarvin | 8 years and 6 months ago

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AFAIK it’s NOT illegal, but I think it IS illegal to transport the filled propane tank through your house. Not a problem unless you have a row house and widely ignored. MANY of my neighbors (with attached row houses) have propane grills. Me, I don’t care–I like my Weber kettle charcoal grill and would never use propane when I have any other option.

emmajacob | 8 years and 6 months ago

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@bobmarvin and @carriagehouse99: We are trying to decide whether to let our tenants have a grill on their deck (which is right above our bedroom). We have a two-family brownstone. Where did you see that it’s illegal to have a propane grill in one’s backyard? It’ll help with our research.

zoddie | 8 years and 6 months ago

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Oy. Why is life in NYC so difficult? I have a little screen house that pops up in a few minutes – I was just hoping for something that was a bit less of a pain and something a bit bigger. I guess that explains why I haven’t seen any screened-in decks in Brooklyn. What I hoped would be a $5k deck + screens now sounds like a $150k addition.

How about a permanent screen-enclosed deck that isn’t attached to the house? I can try to sprint outside before the mosquitoes converge on me…though I don’t recall ever seeing anything like that in Brooklyn, either.

bliz | 8 years and 6 months ago

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Whatever you want to build, just keep it reasonably sized and don’t connect it to your house and you’re fine.

Arkady | 8 years and 6 months ago

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You might look at pet supply sites: there’re a lot of easily built enclosures to keep cats from getting out – infinitely variable in size.

BobMarvin | 8 years and 6 months ago

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I think the reason for the technical illegality of a portable gas grill is that you can’t bring the propane tank through the house. Thankfully that’s not really enforced (although you’d be in deep legal sh*t if your propane tank were to explode–not especially relevant, since you’d also be dead). I somehow doubt that there’s anything illegal about setting up what’s basically a tent for temporary, non-commercial use.

patrickburnsjr | 8 years and 6 months ago

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It would be great if a pop-up screened-in enclosure–4 walls & a room–did not require a DOB inspection subsequently an approval but I doubt it as one cannot even use a portable gas grill in the back yard legally.

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Well, they CAN be used, but they have to be taken down in bad weather. Not ideal, but cheap and no filing or permits are required.

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Portables like the above mentioned are good for when you have parked your RV or Trailer for a few days. They pop-up fast. Can’t be used as additions to decks or porches attached to your urban brownstone….maybe if you live in Nevada off the grid.

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FWIW there are portable tent-like screen houses like this:

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/guide-gear-xl-add-a-screen-room?a=1885139

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Anything with a ceiling is an addition

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Anything with a ceiling is an addition

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Be careful. I’ll vouch for Sketch & Hammer and Lopopolo to execute the wood & iron components of parlor floor & roof decks but to add what the DOB sees as 4 walls and a ceiling needs to be examined as far as the changing of your room count re’ your C of O. Best to research Certificates of Occupancy with NYC . gov-Of course you have to file.