Restoring Patina to Old Glass
We have some interior doors with Florentine glass, and we recently had some work done on one off site. They must have cleaned the glass with alcohol because now it’s subtly different. The glass on the other doors is slightly amber in color and not sparkly. Our old frosted glass is the same color. Our recently cleaned glass is more clear looking, white/blue and sparkly. Does anyone know if the old glass was treated with something to make it more opaque, or could the patina be years of dust and grime? Any suggestions for bringing back the soft amber effect? Thanks!
cate
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hkapstein | 4 years and 8 months ago
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Maybe more like level 5 drywall where once there was plaster.
stevecym | 4 years and 8 months ago
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Right, like baccarat crystal in an irish pub.
hkapstein | 4 years and 8 months ago
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There are multiple historical glass types availabe, and they do look different, but modern float glass is totally fine for many purposes. A friend of mine switched to fake a christmas tree this year. Said, he was tired of the headache, and what’s the difference? If it doesn’t make a difference to you just get the standard glass.
But sometimes it might help explain why the room doesn’t feel quite right, if you know what I mean.
stevecym | 4 years and 8 months ago
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Blenheim has two types of that stuff. Full restoration and partial. I never understood why some customers had me driving out NJ to pick that up while we could get clear glass here that would have been the rage when it came out about 1890. And, you mentioned blenheim so maybe you know but what else do they have in those racks in that warehouse? I never could get inside. Now that I think of it, they may supply glass to the stained glass people.
If you are interested in this sort of thing, PPG, that’s Pittsburgh Plate Glass, not Pittsburgh Paint, has a book they published in the 1920s about glass production. I managed to snag a copy on ebay a few years back. A lot of industrial manufacturers published books back in the day sort of the same way they have websites today.
hkapstein | 4 years and 8 months ago
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Ha I know exactly what you’r talking about. The runny glass is really cool and tends to be used in smaller panes . My guess is that the cylindrical glass was newer and probably overlapped for or a while, or perhaps was used in larger sheets. The very runny glass is a little distorted for my taste, but glass made from 1860-1920 or so has just a little shape to them that make them sparkle in the light like an old crystal wine glass. 30+ years ago there were enough left that you could would see that on a lot of the brownstone facades, but since they were single pane weight and chain, most have been replaced. You can make them into IGUs though.
I know a few houses that still have the originals and when you walk by it’s really gives the facade this dreamy, look that is hard to explain but really does help set the tone for an old brownstone, like the floors, wood, and plasterwork.
Arkady | 4 years and 8 months ago
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Maybe the 1890 glass has been replaced?
stevecym | 4 years and 8 months ago
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@urbandad, thank you for all of this. i have tried learning a little more about glass and will keep these in mind though my thought is, not to get any more involved in glass than to do the job at hand; ie, i don’t want it to become my specialty. Blenhiem is a great place but i never thought of them for anymore than the “restoration glass” – the runny sort of stuff. and that raises another question – why do we see some 1920’s houses with runny glass in the windows but then we go to 1890’s brownstone’s and the front doors have flat, clear glass. if you have and idea on this and which to share it, i will read it. but keeping up with the wood and locks is enough for me.
hkapstein | 4 years and 8 months ago
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I’ve never seen that effect with glass, interesting. I wonder if it could be soot or grease from old fireplaces or stoves, or if perhaps the glass was damaged and replaced by the contractor without you being notified.
@stevecym, I’ve been experimenting a little with different glass products for a window fabrication project, and I’ve have some samples from artisan glass works in baltimore that look pretty good, and aren’t too expensive. https://www.agwglass.com/products There’s more to it than the actual tint of the glass, but artifacts from the older glass making techniques that affect the appearance of the glass in a subtle way, but would cause new glass to noticeably not match, and could even be said to appear to have a different color. If the customer wanted to keep the original glass in one window, I’d say it’s worth ordering a sample box to see if you can get an acceptable match.
At a higher price point, you can obviously buy restoration glass from bendhe im or hollander that can be handblown or fabricated using historical techniques, but since most brownstones york were probably built using cylindrical glass fabrication rather than handblown.
cate | 4 years and 8 months ago
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Considering tinted makeup powder. It can go off after about five years though. Though I had some vintage powders from the 1920s and ’50s that seemed fine.
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Thanks Steve!
stevecym | 4 years and 8 months ago
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Also, I am not so sure I would try to put wax in any sand blasted or etched glass. Might build funny and be hard to get out.
stevecym | 4 years and 8 months ago
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cate, glass has changed color over the years. i don’t mean it changes as it ages but in the manufacturing process. i tell people that if we have to change one piece in a double entry door, we have to do both as they will tint differently and we cannot match them.
cate | 4 years and 8 months ago
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Thanks Steve! We have a block of beeswax. Wonder if just rubbing that on as is would do anything. Might help soften the glare and sparkle.
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wax it with tinted wax. you can get tinted wax at abbot paints or you can make your own.
to make your own tinted wax, melt some butchers or johnson and put some tint in it. just a drop or so. not much. i would begin with two drops in a cup of melted wax and mix it. let it harden. apply it to the glass like one would to furniture and rub it out after 15 minutes.
becareful melting wax. i melt mine outside with a camp stove or in the microwave. not on a gas stove. bees wax may (or may not) have the same fire danger as the petroleum based stuff.
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Thanks, Steve. We actually want the antique patina on all the glass. Long story short, we had antique glass installed because of the patina, to match our existing. Alas, smoking in the house is not really an option…perhaps I could rub it with chewing tobacco, lol?
stevecym | 4 years and 8 months ago
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Generations of tobacco smoke. Hard to imagine, ehh? Run some alcohol soaked rags over the other glass and see what happens. Try ammonia and water.
All of you are reading this now and questioning me. Right? We would toss someone out our front door for lighting a cigarette in the house. A generation ago, the host would be wrong to question them.
I wrote on here, I think, about running alcohol over 1920s shellacked trim and determining that years of tobacco smoke had grayed it over. I bet that is what you are facing now.
cate | 4 years and 8 months ago
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That’s nice that you did that, IronBalls. Attention to detail.
IronBalls | 4 years and 8 months ago
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No idea, but I’ve had workers break old wavy glass in my house, and I bought replacement glass on eBay from salvage guys. It’s much cheaper than buying new replica replacement glass, which I’ve also done, though of course it’s not tempered.