Rental broker - How should they be verifying self employed income
A friend recommend a broker with six years experience to me to list an apartment for rent. The applicant is self employed so there are no pay stubs. How should the broker be verifying the self employed income? The broker sent me some information below but it doesn’t seem complete.
-Checking account doesn’t show consistent monthly income. It is also a joint account
-The saving accounts only shows the balance no transactions
-The tax return is self prepared and is only 2 pages. I asked the broker why the tax return is only 2 page. Broker said they asked the applicant to only send pages so odd.

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yudashasom | 4 years and 11 months ago
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Stop “hiring” someone, and give the listing to a few brokers. No exclusives. Of course a broker with an application will try to push their client onto you. You have to remind them they work for you.

allyslope | 4 years and 11 months ago
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@primebrooklyn we hired someone. Will save your information for the future.

primebrooklyn | 4 years and 11 months ago
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I handle rentals and management. You can reach me: mgmt@primebklyn.com or rentals@primebklyn.com. Licensed for 15 years.

allyslope | 4 years and 11 months ago
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Thank you everyone for the comments, suggestions and questions.I could not tell the line of work and had only 1 year tax return.The broker is licensed. The broker & I had a differences of opinion so we end the relationship.The broker thought the tenant was great and had the income qualification. I disagreed.

stevecym | 4 years and 11 months ago
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i am in agreement with no permitz and prime. i only mentioned the self employed thing so you can have some insight what the reality might be. or might not be.
here is the thing, if you start asking the broker to check all this stuff on different people, you will have to be consistent. you can say you do it for self employed people, ok. but we (yes, me when i am hiring) can not start doing this willy nilly as it may look like we are putting the screws to someone to find a reason to not select them for some other unjustifiable reason. and that would be wrong.

yudashasom | 4 years and 11 months ago
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Agree w/ prime.
You used to be able to get extra security in these scenarios. But with that out the window, I just deny them without a solid guarantor.

mozeeatupu | 4 years and 11 months ago
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Get proof of rent payments prior 12 months

stevecym | 4 years and 11 months ago
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you can also ask for a social security statement. that will be the tell all right there.
i have hired a lot of people and when someone comes to me telling me they were self employed, i would ask for a tax return. if they could not give that but wanted the job, then i would ask for insurance. usually what happens is when you ask for these things these kind of people think YOU are the pain in the neck for asking and they look elsewhere. as the others have implied, it might be better that way.

primebrooklyn | 4 years and 11 months ago
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If they are self-employed, don’t show a lot of money and do their own taxes, meaning I can’t get a letter from a CPA stating their income and verifying their past years income then ask for multiple years of tax returns and multiple bank statements but it already sounds like someone I wouldn’t take on as a renter unless they had a guarantor attached that was very strong.

stevecym | 4 years and 11 months ago
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i am self employed and my checking account will not always show consistent pay. first, if someone is self employed and working as a contractor or sole proprietor, they may be using their personal account as a business account. in this case, you should see money coming in, perhaps for materials and deposits to get jobs started – perhaps travel expenses – and at times, that may look like a lot and it may be or maybe it is not as much as it seems. if they are self employed as say an s-corp, they should have a business account to show some activity but the money in that account may really belong to customers – but it can prove they are functioning in a legitimate business. depending on the activity, they may pay themselves monthly and i know a lot of people who do that. some people in business may see very little money for months and bingo they can paid from that big job and that might be all they see again for a while maybe even as long as 90 days..
the tax return may not show much either. if they are an s-corp or llc and they ask for the personal tax return, you will get something very short. until i was married and had a home and deductions, i used the 1040 -EZ (like one page?). the house changed that. the business added some things to my personal return as well and those lines would indicate certain taxable activity – i think most of that shows up on the first or second page of the personal return. i have had people ask me for my taxes and i often show them the corporate return in addition to the personal to at least to show them that i am involved in legitimate activity.
Income is only part of the equation. as with what cate is alluding to, where they are getting it is the other.

cate | 4 years and 11 months ago
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The tax return should be a complete 1040 C. What line of work is the applicant in? How long have they been self employed? You also need to run a credit report, landlord/tenant and criminal report, and verify references. Beware any potential tenant who might be involved in illegal activity because, among other things, you don’t want them moving it into your building. Is the rental agent licensed? I would work only with a licensed agent or consider renting the unit yourself unless you are out of town.