Lawyer needed for DEP hearing
Does anyone know of a lawyer who represents defendants at DEP (Department of Environmental Protection)? We have received a summons for a hearing to levy hefty fines for violations. There is a mixup, however, and they have the wrong address and wrong building owner.
cate
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Guest User | 2 years and 7 months ago
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@cate every now and then the system corrects itself like it’s supposed to.
Guest User | 2 years and 7 months ago
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@cate every now and then the system corrects itself like it’s supposed to.
cate | 2 years and 7 months ago
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Happy news! Thanks to your help and recommendations, we got it dismissed. DEP determined that summons was issued to the “wrong place of occurrence.”
justinromeu26 | 2 years and 8 months ago
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I was really hoping the details were a bit more sordid than that-
cate | 2 years and 8 months ago
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A contractor working on a house on the block did something that was a violation. It affected other houses on the block. The addresses and owners are mixed up on the summons.
Augustiner | 2 years and 8 months ago
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there are all kind of violations.
A DEP violation issued to a contractor is usually not attached to the building but to the company it was issued to.
A DOB violation for a building related issue issued to a owner such as ‘use contrary to C of O’ or ‘work without permit’ are issued to the owner of the building and will go on to be connected to the building because it is an asset of the owner to whom the violation was issued at the time. That is my understanding.
So if you are not named in the ticket that means you are not the respondent. For example the ticket is issued to XYZ Corp at your address, and you are not a officer of XYZ corp and you are not authorized by the Corp to represent them at OATH, then OATH will say you have no standing in this matter and won’t let you defend against it.
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How can they mistakenly attach a businesses tickets to a building if the business is located elsewhere unless the business is doing work there? My business is at my home and i can understand this happening here.
These stories where the city makes a clusterf of something make good reading.
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These tickets are attached to the building. It will have to be resolved at some point.
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For all the info there is including the original handwritten ticket google “oath summons finder”.
This is a ‘wrong respondent’ service issue. It’s not your company, so you don’t have to care what went wrong at the inspection.
If it’s someone you hired then you should have them fix the issue
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How do they make a mistake like this? And if they are going after a company, how do they get the wrong address?
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Thank you so much, Shamrock, Augustiner and Homeinspector. The summons they sent says the hearing is with the OATH Hearings Division. One issue is I don’t have the paperwork for the violation and the inspection. The city has the paperwork. However, I should be able to show them that city ACRIS records indicate that the company they correctly name as the respondent in the case resides at a different address and is owned by a different owner than me and my address. (They have the correct company name, the wrong owner/individual name and the wrong address.)
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I have used Jack Jaffa & Associates several times. This is a building mix up, there is no great legal mind needed, just somebody who knows how to maneuver the ECB maze. Jack Jaffa will probably charge $200 / $300 to resolve this. As for representing yourself, I tried that twice, both times a complete waste of a day.
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If it’s OATH/ ECB you might be able to just submit your proof for an ‘online hearing’, where they decide just based on the evidence submitted.
If not then you can decide between phone hearing or in person.
As homeinspector mentions you can appeal one time and get a lawyer. Just as a heads up e.g. with DOB violations you have to pay the fine to be able to appeal. If you win the case it will be refunded.
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and cate: know this: if this is an ecb violation, be aware that if you do not prove your case to them, the judge will not sit there and say “can you say more? i am not convinced”. they will let you finish speaking and say nothing about what they think of your guilt or not. you will get a notice in the mail telling you the judge’s determination. so you must have copies to bring with you to prove everything and it must be fool proof (i don’t think these judges really give a crap about anything but moving these petty cases; they are the bottom of the judicial barrel). knowing what i know about them, i would go this alone the first time and if it did not work, i would be prepared to appeal via an attorney.
i used to go before them with a FDNY violations and one time we got our determination back and we were found guilty for about half of them (it stated “respondent did not prove case”; it was my first time). in that instance, my bosses boss (a VP) wan ted us to get an attorney and appeal. we chose not to but that avenue exists.
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cate | 2 years and 8 months ago
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Thank you.
justinromeu26 | 2 years and 8 months ago
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Yes.
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Thank you both so much. So we should go to the hearing and ask for a dismissal? There is paperwork that proves the summons is for the wrong address. Thank you for the reference to waterbills.com, that looks promising.
justinromeu26 | 2 years and 8 months ago
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A homeowner can represent themselves before the ecb. If there is paperwork to prove the ticket belongs at another address, do what augustiner says, ask for a dismissal.
Augustiner | 2 years and 8 months ago
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If it’s for someone else at another building what is the connection to you?
If you can show that it’s the wrong service address, or wrong respondent (or both of it) you should be able to get it dismissed easily.
For any DEP issues I had good experience with
Waterbills.com. Check with ESchwartz@waterbills.com