How do you know if a property is grandfathered?

dangermouse

in General Discussion 8 years and 10 months ago

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EJR | 8 years and 10 months ago

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It seems to me the real question is what is the purpose of the OP’s post. If, per Bob’s example, your house is built in excess of the maximum FAR, then the DOB or whatever other city agency is not going to make you remove the overbuilt portion. If some other non-conforming condition exists in your house and you are attempting to modify said condition in some way, the DOB or other appropriate city agency will likely require the modification to bring the non-conforming use in line with conforming standards.

BobMarvin | 8 years and 10 months ago

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I’m not an expert, but I’m pretty sure sure that if a building was built prior to the 1961 Zoning Resolution and doesn’t meet its standards it’s “grandfathered”, but I don’t think you’ll find any official use of that term. For example, virtually all the houses in my sub-neighborhood, which were all built between aprox. 1896 and 1952, exceed the maximum FAR for their 1961 R2 zoning and are “ggrandfathered”.

daveinbedstuy | 8 years and 10 months ago

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You have to be more specific.

dangermouse | 8 years and 10 months ago

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As in a non-conforming use per today’s resolution/ code handbook

CarmenR | 8 years and 10 months ago

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What does this question actually mean?

lgwlcvqt | 8 years and 10 months ago

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Some aspect of the property can be grandfathered, a blanket grandfathered title isn’t given to a property

lgwlcvqt | 8 years and 10 months ago

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Some aspect of the property can be grandfathered, a blanket grandfathered title isn’t given to a property

BobMarvin | 8 years and 10 months ago

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What does that mean? A non-conforming use vis–à–vis zoning?