Backyard Garbage

I recently bought a two family house in the South Bronx and have a big backyard…. full of junk. I’ve got plans for transforming the 1000 sq ft into an oasis, but am a bit daunted by the state of the land. Construction debris, nails, rocks, glass, trash, etc cover every square inch. It looks like the top few inches of the soil is basically trash and probably full of some nasty chemicals, etc.

I thought the brownstoner community might have some tips. As far as I’ve read, a resident of a two family house can put almost any type of trash on the street for pickup as long as it is under 60 lbs and you are doing the work yourself (eg no contractor).

I imagine I’ll have hundreds of bags worth when it is all said and done and was considering tackling it a few bags a day for the next month or so. I’ve considered hiring it out or renting a dumpster, but haven’t found a good solution yet and would be ok doing the work myself to save the money.

Any thoughts or experience ? Afraid I’ve got a long spring ahead of me before I’ve got a usable blank canvas to work with, but don’t want to get in trouble with the city or get in over my head.

Chad

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yudashasom | 5 years and 2 months ago

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Told you this was the best way!

JohnHancock | 5 years and 3 months ago

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For that amount of money it surely went into the Gowanus!

hkapstein | 5 years and 3 months ago

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Sounds like it went in the Gowanus.

BKALLDAY | 5 years and 3 months ago

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Glad to hear you got it done. Maybe you should do a soil test first before you start bringing in the new dirt and consider the types of bushes, plants or trees you will be putting in. Depending on the species, some need a high alkaline soil and some less . You don’t want to have to keep ripping out stuff you put in. Also think of drainage. You may want to run some French drains under hardscape so the water does not pool and kill the roots of things planted. If you are thinking of grass then maybe pay the moolah to have artificial grass added. It is a green alternative, they make many lovely variations and you don’t have to feed it but you and the family can lay on it etc. If you have pets though consider creating an area for them to do their thing if you let them out back. Put up some pictures, I for one would love to see the progression.

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Update over here! We ended up hiring a guy with a dump truck who was willing to take the concrete, soil (bagged), and misc wood/metal/trash. We filled a massive truck and did the labor ourselves. To anyone considering it in the future, be prepared for some serious labor. Multiple weekends of backbreaking work. However, I imagine the amount we had in our backyard + the size of it is on the upper limit. $1000 to get it taken out, but as cheap as we could find.

Now onto level, adding soil, and starting the landscaping and garden design. A perfect project for Coronavirus quarantine!

Guest User | 5 years and 3 months ago

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Garbage disposal is not that expensive.
But removing soil is. City requires preliminary testing of the soil and very few companies actually will do that. Also you will have to hire someone to dig and bag all of that soil, plus move it out of the backyard to the front of the building.
Labor will be 80% cost.
If you need any help with that pls feel free to contact us at 347.424.3553

solehappy | 5 years and 3 months ago

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have a few hundred demo bags worth of backyard dirty fill to go out. appreciating the @no-permitz wisdom of not keeping a dumpster any longer than absolutely necessary. happy to do the work of bagging it myself and hiring a crew to haul it through the house and ultimately away that same day. same mention of xolle and b&m and curious if anyone has more information about them or others that would be able to do this kind of job.

yudashasom | 5 years and 3 months ago

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If you get a dumpster, you’ll get banged on weight for mixed materials. If it was all clean dirt, you could get a flat rate on a 20yd. But mixed materials, you’ll pay up.

yudashasom | 5 years and 3 months ago

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If you want to make it harder for yourself, which is how this sounds, you can move all of the debris to the front of your house or stack it up in the alley. Then schedule a packer truck and load it yourself or with help. Bestway Carting has packer trucks and its about $75/yard

xchx | 5 years and 3 months ago

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it’s like $200 a ton or something like that. they weigh your van on the way in and on the way out. I went to a place in east Williamsburg, think it’s called Cooper.

stickerhappy | 5 years and 3 months ago

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Anyone know what it costs for a homeowner to drop off a load of debris at any of the Brooklyn waste businesses? I figure it’s priced by weight? And anyone have any location to recommend?

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Since they closed the household collection locations Sanitation is supposed to take whatever you put out within reason (not an engine block or construction debris). You can start by giving them a heads up that you will begin to start leaving stuff out and ask them how they want to see it bundled. Do not mix stuff like metals with boxes or glass and such. make sure you stop when the bags feel too heavy for you to lift (I would section out the heavy stuff and tape paper to those bags with the words “Heavy” or “Breakable” and I would take out or bend down any nails that stuck up. Stock up on those nylon construction bags, duct tape and twine and if they agree to say 15-20 bags each collection day then you have a plan on how to start. Then find out where the day laborers are in your area and go scout some out and offer them a reasonable day rate to move the big stuff that Sanitation cannot take into a dumpster you rent. Then you can have them skim off the top layers of dirt and bag those up to go out in the dumpster as well. DO NOT HIRE ANY DAY LABORERS who say you ha ve to drive them to and from the site and don’t hire any laborers who have a skill set above what you need. If all else fails or if you think the job and waiting for sanitation to get to it seems too much it may be money well spent to hire a clean out company. If you look at what you will spend in bags, time, tools, your back, dealing with laborers etc, it may work out to pay $1,500-2K to get it all gone to your satisfaction and then when true spring hits you are laying out the new garden. Good luck.

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If you get a dumpster and don’t fill it immediately, someone else will fill it at your expense. Just listen to what everyone is telling you – get a guy with a truck and his own crew and let them take it away. Xolle and B&M might be to do this for you.

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Thanks all!

The process has started, but it’s become very apparent sanitation is not up for taking any bags at all – even light!

Any reccos for good dumpster rental companies?

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We’ve arranged clean-outs several times with garbage removal people and the cost was always pretty reasonable, around $400-1,500 total if memory serves. (The latter was for dumpster rental and bagging and moving all the debris into the dumpster for a renovation of an entire house — prob mostly that was linoleum and wallpaper. Also paid about $400 for a basement clean-out about a year ago.) Think I once paid $300-600 for a bunch of guys to denude the backyard of towering growth, walk it through the house in bags, and haul it away.

xchx | 5 years and 3 months ago

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I’ve done this both ways. If the bags get wet, it’s a hassle and then you can’t bring any out for a while. Also, if the trash pile out front is visible next to your stoop, the garbage men will see through your tricks and skip your house. Taking off a “few inches” of soil is going to be way more weight than you expect.

I had to throw out a couple inches of soil from a 20’x10′ patch I paved. Hired two guys to help me. We bagged it, rented a van, took it to a garbage transfer station. Even there the fees are a couple hundred bucks per ton so it’s not super cheap. I think it ended up being 2-3 tons.

I would recommend getting a couple quotes from garbage removal people and just getting it over with!

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@urbandad, I like the idea of dumping in front of Deblasios house. Tell me when, let’s do it.

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I had a similar issue and was putting five bags out every garbage day for my sanitation guys to pick up. One day they saw me doing it and invited me to throw away more bags each day if I would put them in the garbage truck myself. We started a game of seeing who could throw more bags faster which lasted for weeks as I did demo and garden clearing. It was a fun productive way to start my day!

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Look people do it all the time, and I point this out only because others dump on me, and I have no recourse. But that said, I’m going to drop a bag at Deblasio’s house to see if anything happens. Any suggestions what I should put in it?