Millenial Tenants?

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    For the landlords out there… Is it just me, or do the 20-something renters out there seem more indecisive and less courteous than renters in the past? I’ve been showing apartments in the past year to prospective tenants and I cannot remember so many no-shows for appointments, so many applicants who decide upon being notified that their application has been approved and then decide not to rent the place. Perhaps my memory is getting hazy?

    43 Replies

    1. do NOT tell them u r not renting to them because they
      are a lawyer, its illegal in NYC to deny an apartment to someone because of their profession as long as its not illegal.

      >>never ever rent to a lawyer

    2. “I’ve heard pissing and moaning about “Midwesterners” since I moved here 18 years ago, and I still don’t know what people are talking about. If you grew up in the freezing cold rust belt grit of Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, Pittsburgh, Milwaukee, St Louis — in just about any decade — I can assure you, you’re pretty fuckin’ tough. And you’ve decided to move to NYC to boot. Who are we talking about, and from where? I’ll never get it. Bizarre.”

      Lucille, I’m from HERE and I’ll never get it either.

    3. No, the spectrum of jerks to non-jerks still exists. Prospective tenants have a hell of a lot more to choose from inventory wise than they did five plus years ago since Brooklyn has become more mainstream. I be lording the land too.

    4. Oh and one is 28 and I am not sure the age of the other one, 30 I think. Beautiful manners, pay me on time (ok, almost always), neat (ok almost always), considerate, socially gracious, intelligent, accomplished.

    5. Both of my tenants are Midwesterners. I LOVE them. They are the best. I hope they stay for a long time (so far 7 years and 6 years). But if I have to rent one of the apartments, I will get a broker. I am a single woman and I don’t want strangers in and out of my house and I don’t want to personally reject anyone. I want EVERYTHING arranged by the broker all the appointments, applications, all checks, credit, job, references, bank accounts, criminal, etc. and give me a profile and if the person sounds good, I’ll meet them and we’ll see how it goes. So far that has worked for me. I hate the idea of Craigs list. My apartments will never be no-fee, but they are really nice. It has worked out for the tenants too. They don’t want to move.

    6. This is because 20-somethings know how to spot bullshit ads on craigslist that are probably not worth their time and/or know when they’re being ripped off. It is also because as a renter, you are completely forced to play the game that landlords and brokers initiate (oh really this is in Prospect Heights; oh really these are pictures of the actual unit; oh really there’s a third bedroom). There is no respect shown to renters as a general rule so you don’t get any in return. Rather than stereotyping and blaming potential tenants you should probably take a look at the product you’re offering. Trust me: price your place well, put up a good ad, and deal fairly with people, and you will get half a dozen applications in an afternoon.

    7. Pete, that one is obvious.

      catt, take it easy. We’re of course generalizing. I have found that most young females are fine tenants. It’s just that there’s more of them who have given me problems (not rent problems) than male tenants or older tenants.

    8. As a 25-yr-old female tenant renting without issue in Fort Greene, this entire thread is insulting. I’m a great renter; I never miss a payment or an appointment and never have. There will always be discourteous people of all ages, and judging by the idiocy of some of the comments made here lots of you guys are just as bad as your flaky potential renters.

    9. Yeah, keep anyone under 30 out of your building.

      Also watch out for them blacks and hispanics.

      And jews can be troublesome as well.

      Is this poster friggin’ serious? This has lawsuit written all over it!

    10. Wonder if people will feel the same way when these millenials are deciding whether or not they want to pay for our social security and medicare.

    11. eh – read this rant on 20yr old workers from Louis CK

      I think you should do your job. I think a lot of people don’t do their job, because they don’t like their job. I don’t get that. You know, if you go to a coffee place, and the kid looks at you like, “Uh.” I didn’t come to your house to ask you for coffee. This is a coffee place. Your clothes match the building, I had a right to expect….—and you’re closer to the coffee machine.

      I don’t know why someone wouldn’t want their job to go really well. And I think usually it’s because they’re twenty. Because they’re twenty-year-old douchebags. I’m prejudiced against twenty year olds. Because, nineteen you’re still your parents’ fault. Twenty, you’re technically an adult, but you still haven’t done anything.

      Twenty year olds at their jobs are always like, “This job sucks.” Yes, that’s why we gave it to you! Because you’re twenty. You haven’t done anything. You’ve just been sucking up resources, you’ve just been taking food and love and education and iPods, and taking it and judging—“I like that,” and “Oh, that sucks.” You’re like a big orange on a tree that’s rotting, and the tree is like, “Get off!” and you’re hanging on, “I don’t want to go.” If you’re twenty, you definitely have never done a thing for anybody.

    12. I’ve heard pissing and moaning about “Midwesterners” since I moved here 18 years ago, and I still don’t know what people are talking about. If you grew up in the freezing cold rust belt grit of Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, Pittsburgh, Milwaukee, St Louis — in just about any decade — I can assure you, you’re pretty fuckin’ tough. And you’ve decided to move to NYC to boot. Who are we talking about, and from where? I’ll never get it. Bizarre.

    13. “By Petebklyn on May 13, 2011 12:34 PM
      why even bother dealing with anyone younger than 35.”

      that might work in some neighborhoods, but it would shrink my pool of applicants to nearly nil…

    14. why even bother dealing with anyone younger than 35. never mind no-shows…..they are nuisance as tenants.

    15. I had a couple of young 20 somethings come to look at an apartment I was renting earlier this year.
      They came in giggling and immediately started to critique the layout as if I was their contractor on one of those DIY network shows.
      Perhaps they mistook me for a guy who was selling them a penthouse at one of the new Richard Meier designed buildings.
      Welcome to New York. Now get used to it.
      Needless to say, they didn’t get the apartment.
      It went to a 20 something year old woman who just got out of the military and was glad to have the space.

    16. Looks like the position of power has flipped from landlords to tenants and you’re all suddenly surprised by the ‘rudeness’?

      A few years ago the landlords and their broker representatives were the biggest d-bags around. Good to see that you’re all getting humbled now.

    17. I’ve heard ridiculous stories of landlords requiring guarantors of potential tenants with good salaries and good money (their own) in the bank because they didn’t have local references.

      Do your homework, landlords.

    18. “Renting an apt can take some time, effort and patience – exhibit A. That’s why many LL’s couldn’t be bothered and use brokers.”

      And that is why the landlords should pay the brokers fee..Yeah, yeah, we get the economics of the market, but I still dont agree with the notion — in the day and age of the internet, brokers generally do a service for the landlord, not the tenant. The worst is when a renter learns of an available apartment in a building (say through a friend who lives there, super or however) but still needs to go through a broker to get it.. That should be illegal.(Is it?)

    19. I just find it odd that, w/ its being so easy to stay in touch nowadays, people don’t simply make a phone call about a delay or postponement.

    20. Rob, I get what you’re saying. Midwesterners suck because they don’t get cynicism and sarcasm. Randolph, toughen up buddy, that’s the only thing that’s gonna make you a real New Yorker. “Screw you, Rob” would have been sufficient, but you had to go all whiny on us.

    21. people who need guarantors SUCK. dont move somewhere if you cant afford it on your own. it really just drives up the rent for everyone else who dont have rich parents.

      *rob*

    22. “technology has made inter-personal contact less important in their eyes.”

      Also, Get off my lawn!!! (rolls eyes) People are always saying things like this with every generation of whippersnappers.

      I feel like 20-somethings have _always_ been pretty flaky, and agreed that a more renter-friendly market combined with a little bit more skittish job situation exacerbates that.

    23. I rented in my early 20’s a few years ago in the city and I’ve had pretty good relationships with my landlords vice versa. I think the only time I flaked out on a potential apartment was that I got a slightly better deal 2 blocks away without having to pay a broker fee. Plus the landlord seemed nicer.

      As for your post…this is NY after all. Maybe kids these days are treating apartment hunting as if they were job hunting…competitive and all and looking for the best.

    24. Butterfly – I had a few tenants with guarantors and had no problems. I would like to give young people who did not have a chance to build up a credit history with a good job to start off on the right footing. Additionaly, the young tenants add life to the neighborhood. I have made it as easy as I could (to within reason) to make it possible for young renters to move in. Another good point is that they usualy don’t stay for more then 2 years so you can raise the rent until eventually they all reach market rate.

      I have been a landlord of a multi family and commercial space since 1993. In all those years I had one tenant who did not pay rent.

      I do agree that young renters tend to be “more indecisive and less courteous”….so what?!

    25. are you a landlord rob? have you lived with a midwesterner? i just don;t get where your ideas come from, besides the generic east/west coast elitist attitude that the rest of the country is a flyover zone full of backwards rednecks or something???

      and I am not “one of them” i am just a person from the midwest who moved here many years ago and never left. am i automatically a terrible renter?

    26. and i never said they won’t pay rent, i just said they will be the most annoying tenants you will ever have.

      *rob*

    27. “By daveinbedstuy on May 13, 2011 7:59 AM
      I has become a culture based on texting and impersonal internet contact characterized by a loss of any sense of manners or civility. Trust me, most of them are worse in real life, 25 going on 14. You don’t want them as tenants.”

      kind of an ironic thing to post on a blog…..but i agree with you.

      “a good rule of thumb as a landlord is to never rent to midwesterners between the ages of 20 and 30.”

      fuck you, i am from the midwest and rented in my 20s and 30s and NEVER missed a payment or anything. you can’t make these kind of statements. its just plain wrong!

    28. lol no comment. are you serious asking this?

      a good rule of thumb as a landlord is to never rent to midwesterners between the ages of 20 and 30. if more landlords stopped renting to them, this city would be MUCH MUCH better. stick with people from the east coast, california, and maaaaaaaaaybe the south tho i’d stay away from too…

      the most problematic tenants are lady moonfaces between the ages of 21 and 34. but it sounds like you have more of a problem with people flaking out versus actual problematic tenants. maybe they just found something better? i cant imagine it being all that different now than how it was 10 20 or 30 years ago..

      and landlords: LISTEN UP!!! PLEASE SAY NO TO GUARANTORS!!! THAT SH8t SHOULD BE ILLEGAL!!!

    29. For all those I’ve argued with in the past about why, as a broker, I take deposits with an application. Renting an apt can take some time, effort and patience – exhibit A. That’s why many LL’s couldn’t be bothered and use brokers.

      Yes, kids in their 20’s seem lee courteous than previous generations. As Dave said, technology has made inter-personal contact less important in their eyes.

      Eja: Simply run an open house at a set time in the evening / weekend 2-3 times a week. Take a deposit (no personal checks) with an application and best of luck.

    30. Given how often I was yanked around by landlords when I was in my 20s, I find this turn of events appropriate.

    31. Yeah, it’s the texting. *eye roll* How old are you, Dave? You sound like you’re 40 going on 75.

      They’re kids. What do you expect? Think they were better in the 1970s? Get older renters if you expect maturity and responsibility.

    32. I’ve had very few no-shows or no phone calls to change but anyone in those categories I instantly barred from renting.

    33. Like it or not, that kind of behavior reflects your product, relative to the market. People want the fairest price and best deal. There is no reason for someone to sugar coat their reaction – they dont have any stake in your happiness. Prices have come down. What was competitive a year ago, no longer is.
      Many people, especially 20 somethings, do not have much job security, so getting a good deal it critical.

    34. It’s basically a function of the market. The indecisiveness and lack of courtesy picked up when the rental market crashed two and a half years ago. Before that it wasn’t as bad.
      People like this will always be around but there will be less of it as the market improves.

    35. I has become a culture based on texting and impersonal internet contact characterized by a loss of any sense of manners or civility. Trust me, most of them are worse in real life, 25 going on 14. You don’t want them as tenants.