Rental Advice/Negotiation
First off I must apologize for this epic saga. I think writing it was a sort of therapy…I needed to get it all out. I don’t expect everyone to read it…but thank you in advance to those who do and respond. I moved to Park Slope this past May from a rent stabilized floor through…
First off I must apologize for this epic saga. I think writing it was a sort of therapy…I needed to get it all out. I don’t expect everyone to read it…but thank you in advance to those who do and respond.
I moved to Park Slope this past May from a rent stabilized floor through in Manhattan with the hopes of living in a mellow, family friendly neighborhood for my wife, 6 month old daughter and myself. After a couple of months of looking at many 2 bedroom apartments, half of which were in need of a gut renovation, I thought we found the closest thing to perfection possible in a North Slope 2 bedroom garden apartment in a 200 year old brownstone…
…Of course we had to go through a broker (who by answering a craigslist ad and showing the apartment once gladly took my $3400). I met the landlord while viewing the apartment with the broker. At first he seemed ok enough, a little off but ok. His credentials were good…5th ave business owner, multiple higher education degrees, owned the building for about 25yrs. As we toured the apartment he assured me he would clear out the refuse (yes, as in garbage-rused bicycle, pieces of wood, etc.) from the storage space under the stoop so that we could use the space and from the back yard (construction waste left from the building of his deck years ago). He also mentioned that the basement (which must be accessed through our apartment) needed cleaning out, but that he might clear a space for use to use as storage. He half heartedly mentioned he would paint, which I may have dismissed as I thought at first glance that the walls/paint was in good shape. After viewing many apartments that were in much, much worse physical condition for the same price point ($2600/mth range) I jumped on the apartment and singed the lease that day. One thing that sort of stood out to me but I didn’t think much of was an “as is” clause in the lease…something I’ve never heard or seen in a rental agreement. After signing the lease the landlord told me he was going out of town on business immediately for a month and that I should contact his wife if we had questions, etc. while moving in. We agreed to pay a third months rent so we could get in a little early and prep the apartment before the actual moving day. One thing we decided was to have the floors refinished using a non-sanding, green method as our baby was crawling around and we knew she’s be spending quite a bit of time on the floor. We contacted the landlords wife and she informed me they had no interest in helping with the cost. We went ahead anyway and paid for it ourselves ($1200). Also, after closer inspection and with the previous tenants furniture gone, we noticed that the paint/walls weren’t in quite as good of shape as we had previously thought. I contacted the landlady again to see if she had anyone she used for painting, sort of feeling her out since I knew I had earlier declined the paint job and hoping she’d offer to take care of it. She didn’t really bite so we went ahead on our own and painted nearly the entire apartment, using water based, baby safe paint. During the process of cleaning (pretty filthy) and painting we it became quickly apparent that the apartment was the artifact of a shoddy, DIY, 20-year old renovation job. Also, there were a couple of holes in the walls, unfinished trim, light fixtures falling from the ceiling (exposed wires, not grounded), a broken screen door, missing door jams/thresholds, no fire detectors and many other small things wrong. Since the landlord was out of town for a month and we were moving in that week and because the landlady didn’t seem to want to deal with us, and because the issues showed evidence that they had been that way for many, many years we took it on ourselves to fix the place up (with the help of a contractor friend). It was a lot of time, elbow grease and another chunk of cash…but we thought maybe it was worth it as long as we stayed here a while. I think at this point we were beginning to have some feelings of disappointment and fear that the apartment wasn’t all we hoped it was, but we were already committed by the cost of moving in…so we wanted to make it as nice and livable as possible.
After the move-in we began focusing our attention on the yard. Now, I knew from the beginning that the yard would need some work and was willing to put some sweat equity and money in to it so we could really enjoy it all summer. The landlord had casually said it would be fine if we wanted to do some landscaping, etc. And, as I said, he said he would have the construction refuse removed. That being said, we ended up spending another $2500 on the yard, cleaning it of top soil refuse and doing some landscaping. Come time for our first rent to be due, with the landlord fresh back from his business trip, we promptly paid our first months rent. With the rent we sent a letter telling the landlord how happy we were with the neighborhood (which we still love-though it’s been hard being a renter here) and the apartment, though we did find it to be not quite in the condition we had initially thought. We described to him all of the work we did, listed out the cost, included receipts and gave him the OPTION to help pitch-in for the effort as we had undoubtedly improved his neglected property. Again I’ll say, we gave him the OPTION…did not demand anything. Also, we asked about the spaces he said he would clean out and requested he install a front door light. The entire tone of the letter was of happiness and excitement about our new home and looking forward to spending some years enjoying the investment. The letter we received in response a couple of days later was one of the most condescending, rude communications I have ever received in my life. I won’t go over it in detail, as I’ve already written an essay, but here are some choice quotes…
“honestly, it’s a rental”
“you say you hope to spend many years here. I remind you that you signed a one-year, as is lease”
“feel free to do what you like with the yard, I’m sure the next tenants will appreciate it”
“let me know if you are interested in purchasing the building” (
Heard of the expression “the lady doth protest too much?” I mean what kind of person checks out their LL’s mortgage and is upset that their rent is higher than that?
While I initially sympathized with your position, your post oozes with unbelievability (besides being practically a novella) that makes me wonder. At first all was OK with the place, but then *everything* went wrong, paint, lead, dirt, CO, quality of renovation, critters, mold? [and I notice the squirrels appeared AFTER mopar mentioned them].
If you really want to move, ask him if he will let you out of your lease. He may say yes. If not, consult with an attorney immediately. He’s screwed, there are all kinds of issues here.
He is ruining his own property by not fixing the holes, he must be in serious financial straits with that $1 million debt. Maybe he had some health issues or something. Who knows.
Keep in mind if your name ends up in the court records, you will have a hard time renting. You can both sign a document striking your case from the records. It can be a condition of any settlement. DIscuss with your attorney.
BTW, I was involved in a very similar situation last year. Put money into moving and painting, had to leave because the apartment was full of cigarette smoke (no trace when I rented). I couldn’t use the bathroom.
If you want to be a dick, and you need to think long and hard before you go down this road, you could unleash a mighty big shit storm upon this dude, You have not taken advantage of your upper hand… Your kid. The rodent problem… Lack of a fire/smoke detector… Missing CO detector… Child window gates… God forbid, threatening to make a call to HPD about peeling LEAD paint!!!!! might change his mind.
Get a carbon monoxide detector for the basement. If that registers you can essentially get the whole building shut down by pursiung it with the DOH
OK, now we’re getting somewhere. The landlord doesn’t have to fix any of those things since you took it “as is”, but they are required to abide by the ‘law of habitability” which clearly it is not, escpecially for your child. Get the DOB in there and get on his ass. You got screwed, plain and simple, but you can fight. If you fight hard enough he may just let you out of your lease if you’re lucky. IT’S TIME TO BE MEAN!! NO MORE Mr. NICE GUY!! MAN UP!!
$2750 actually :-\ …with utilities (including electric). I think he’s mad because he got 3k a mth for this place at one point to two bachelors in a different market. It just kills me that this guy is such a condescending dick. I mean, we’re paying more than twice his original mortgage payment (though I got on propertyshark.com and he refinanced for 1.2mil few years ago…definitely not put back in to the building). I thought moving in to a two family dwelling with the landlord on premise might actually be a good thing. My wife likes to point out that she’s never been treated like this and she lived in the Bowery in the 80’s.
Mopar… I think the moisture is likely coming in the same place the squirrels are. The original dead squirrel smell (which was pre-cursered by some scratching a few weeks before) is in the same spot as the suspected mold smell.
For those with comments about rent stabilized apartments…we got what we paid for. Right on busy first ave, mice, 4″ off slanted floor and tiny.
Yes, we would/will buy if we can. But as someone pointed out…student loan debt, lack of downpayment (how can one save money in nyc anyway?), the fact that I’m an independent contractor and the current mortgage market doesn’t make it seem likely.
Thanks for those with kind words. Pew pew those higher than thou.
Happy Holidays!
Sound like you need advice from an attorney who regularly practices in housing court. Vinca is always posting the link to the city-funded attorney at Brooklyn Housing Court, but you could probably just google it. FWIW, sounds like you have some serious conditions issues that merit rent withholding. Withholding rent may get your landlord’s attention since it may be a significant portion of his monthly income (or not). Either way, letting your landlord know you’re willing to play hardball (and force him to incur legal fees and forgo rent) could work in your favor. Sounds like you desperately want to move anyway, and having extra cash always helps with moving. My sympathies — your landlord sounds like a total and complete jerk.
In the immortal words of Horace Vandergelder: Anyone who goes to the big city desoives what he gets!
Call the freakin’ Department of Health, Department of Buildings, every local news channel consumer reporter –it might help.
Also, be a man and stand up for your family. Don’t whine — take action!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He has 30 days to cure. I believe you are legally entitled to break your lease if he doesn’t, but you should check with a tenant attorney. I’m not sure.