New Barclay's Center Design Revealed
The new SHoP design for the Barclay’s Center, Bruce Ratner’s envisioned home for the Nets, has just gone live on the center’s website. There are lots of different views on rotation and Curbed has pulled out a bunch of still shots. Not surprisingly, Develop Don’t Destroy is already out with a release calling it “lipstick…
The new SHoP design for the Barclay’s Center, Bruce Ratner’s envisioned home for the Nets, has just gone live on the center’s website. There are lots of different views on rotation and Curbed has pulled out a bunch of still shots. Not surprisingly, Develop Don’t Destroy is already out with a release calling it “lipstick on a corrupt pig.” Regardless of your position on Atlantic Yards, there’s no denying it’s sexier than the most recent renderings, though that’s not saying a whole lot.
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“The arena design is irrelevant. It’s all lipstick on a corrupt pig, window-dressing on a boondoggle….It is unconscionable that any elected official could support this farcical project any more.”
These guys are looking for a productive, meaningful and constructive conversation that will result in something building built at AY?? REALLY???
B-A-N-A-N-A. Sorry, but that’s what it sounds like from where I sit. I’ve spent many years in and around land use politics in NYC. When your strategy is to develop/support a completely different, alternative plan and ignore the plan that already been submitted, than either you’re monumentally naive or you have no interest in seeing anything built on the site.
“This affordable housing thing is becoming a broken record. The stadium will bring more development. There are too many amenities surrounding this area for affordable housing to be front and center.”
OH? Really? So people who don’t earn as much as you shouldn’t have the same benefits? Perhaps you didn’t know this country is a democracy? Try Monaco, why don’t you? they still have a king as I understand it.
Clintonhillbuyer- your comments are exactly why DDDB sounds so over the top. Because from the very beginning pro-AYers decided they would brook no dissent and Ratner decided to demonize anyone who spoke out against his project. While you may not like their tactics, its simplistic to think all they want is nothing. Or an imitation brownstone neighborhood. That is untrue. Not sure what “silent majority” you’re talking about but most of the people I know in the area (and I live closeby the area too) aren’t complaining about the aesthetics of the railyards so much as they re complaining about the scale of AY and the sweetheart deals we are expected to fund for Ratner.
I also thought the rendering looks like a cap. That made me wish Capital One, not Barclay’s, bought the naming rights. Then announcers and others could say the game was played “at The Cap.”
“The name of DDDB is DEVELOP, Don’t Destroy. There happens to be a difference which rabidly Pro-Ayers conveniently overlook. Most of us have no problem with development, We just want it to be intelligently designed and scaled. I don’t think that’s too much to ask for.”
Really??? Honestly, you think DDDB has added anything constructive to the debate over AY? I’m not “rabidly pro-AY,” the project has some real problems, but I think I stand with a “silent majority” in Prospect Heights/Clinton Hill/Ft. Greene who think the giant urban scar that separates two of the most vibrant nabes in the borough should be developed. And I think that I’m not the only person around these parts who thinks its a shame that DDDB has so monopolized the conversation and backed itself and local electeds into such a corner with its rhetoric that little, if any, productive negotiation or converstaion is practical.
Its a shame. Something good really could have emerged out of this process if groups like DDDB and its supporters had been a little more rational and constructive.
If you really think DDDB is in favor of “responsible” development, than I’m sorry, but you’re kidding yourself. The fact is that DDDB is BANANAism (Build Absolutly Nothing Anywhere Near Anybody) in its most sophisticated form.
Tax payer dollars get misused everyday in hundreds if not thousands of different ways.
Injecting 18,000 people into an underdeveloped area in the DDDB’s opinion doesn’t aid the community in any way? The optimistic chance that even half that crowd nightly gets hungry or wants to celebrate with a drink after the game should be a boon to the local economy.
As for the traffic, If Manhattan can close off Broadway at 42nd street, why wouldn’t brooklyn be able to handle more flow?
This affordable housing thing is becoming a broken record. The stadium will bring more development. There are too many amenities surrounding this area for affordable housing to be front and center. luxury Rentals are the only thing that is worth building right now. Even the Ingersol houses are slowly emptying, StuyTown anyone? Affordable housing should not have such a luxury as to be near so many trains. Take a bus to the train or rent in a brownstone or flipped condo.
Make Downtown BK a real Downtown!
“NYC is a huge basketball town and the only reason it doesn’t feel like it is because the KNICKS stinks. I think NYC is big enough fan base to support 2 basketball teams.”
Right on the money.
Actually- that’s not true. I happen to like a mix and its unrealistic to think only rowhouses should or would go there. But Ratner’s plan is way out of whack. Far too big and far too expensive. Doesn’t take infrastructure enough into account and besides sucking up taxpayer money, pitting elements of the community against one another, lacking transparency, expecting and getting special favors, they also demand an entire section of a public street and eminent domain. Gee- why do you think people are against this particular development?
You also forget there was an alternative plan proposed that was not only a good plan, and feasible, but would have paid the MTA more money.
> DDDB types want all development to be contextual
Nah, I just want it not to be a tax-payer supported boondoggle that adds density without any corresponding increase in vital infrastructure.
denton: DDDB types want all development to be contextual, i.e. they want all development to be exactly the same size as any building that abuts the site. When it comes to the AY site, the nearby NYCHA towers and the Williamsburg Savings Bank are excluded from this analysis.